Cohen Modal Haplotype, fact or hoax

jgm00000-Skorecki-DNA-Assertion

2008-11-24T11:25:00.001-08:00

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This blog has been created to address the assertions of a guy named Skorecki who claims to be a 'Jew'.
His assertion is that he has proof that a mutation in modern day men comes from Aaron (brother of Moses).
The Information in the left column is a list of pages in the blog. You can ignore the left column, but you must click on Older Post at the bottom to advance to the next segment of this cross examination

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jgm00001-Skorecki-DNA-Assertion

2008-11-24T11:14:00.000-08:00

A claim made by 'Jews"

Cohen Modal Haplotype (CMH)
Tthe standard genetic signature of the Jewish priestly family.
Y-chromosome, which is passed virtually unchanged from father to son.

The text below was written by one of the endless 'Jews' who promote this assertion
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The Cohanim - DNA Connection
You can send the following 'Jewish' page to your friends from this site:
http://www.aish.com/societywork/sciencenature/the_cohanim_-_dna_connection.asp

The text below exactly as it was written: 'Jews" begin below this line
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The fascinating story of how DNA studies confirm an ancient biblical tradition.
Dr. Karl Skorecki, a Cohen of Eastern European parents, was attending synagogue one morning. The Cohen called up for the Torah reading that morning was a Jew of Sephardic background, whose parents were born in North Africa.Dr. Skorecki looked at the Sephardi Cohen's physical features and considered his own physical features.They were significantly different in stature, skin coloration and hair and eye color. Yet both had a tradition of being Cohanim, direct descendants of one man -- Aaron, the brother of Moses.
Cohanim (plural of Cohen) are the priestly family of the Jewish people, members of the Tribe of Levi.The books of Exodus and Leviticus describe the responsibilities of the Cohanim, which include the Temple service and blessing of the people. The Torah (the first five books of the Bible) describes the anointing of Aaron, the brother of Moses, as the first High Priest (Cohen Gadol).
Jewish tradition, based on the Torah, is that all Cohanim are direct descendants of Aaron, the brother of Moses. The Cohen line is patrilineal -- passed from father to son without interruption for 3,300 years, or more than 100 generations.
Dr. Skorecki considered, "According to tradition, this Sephardi Cohen and I have a common ancestor. Could this line have been maintained since Sinai, and throughout the long exile of the Jewish people?" As a scientist, he wondered, could such a claim be tested?
Being a nephrologist and a top-level researcher at the University of Toronto and the Rambam-Technion Medical Center in Haifa, he was involved in the breakthroughs in molecular genetics which are revolutionizing medicine and the study of the life-sciences. He was also aware of the newly developing application of DNA analysis to the study of history and population diversity.
Dr. Skorecki considered a hypothesis: if the Cohanim are descendants of one man, they should have a common set of genetic markers -- a common haplotype -- that of their common ancestor. In our case, Aaron HaCohen.
HOW IT WORKS
A genetic marker is a variation in the nucleotide sequence of the DNA, known as a mutation. Mutations which occur within genes -- a part of the DNA which codes for a protein -- usually cause a malfunction or disease and is lost due to selection in succeeding generations. However, mutations found in so-called "non-coding regions" of the DNA tend to persist.
Since the Y chromosome consists almost entirely of non-coding DNA (except for the genes determining maleness), it would tend to accumulate mutations. Since it is passed from father to son without recombination, the genetic information on a Y chromosome of a man living today is basically the same as that of his ancient male ancestors, except for the rare mutations that occur along the hereditary line.
A combination of these neutral mutations, known as a haplotype, can serve as a genetic signature of a man's male ancestry. Maternal genealogies are also being studied by means of the m-DNA (mitrocondrial DNA), which is inherited only from the mother.
THE SEARCH BEGINS
Dr. Skorecki made contact with Professor Michael Hammer, of the University of Arizona, a leading researcher in molecular genetics and a pioneer in Y chromosome research. Professor Hammer uses DNA analysis to study the history of populations, their origins and migrations. His previous research included work on the origins of the Native American Indians and the development of the Japanese people.
A study was undertaken to test the hypothesis. If there were a common ancestor, the Cohanim should have common genetic markers at a higher frequency than the general Jewish population.
In the first study, as reported in the prestigious British science journal, Nature (January 2, 1997), 188 Jewish males were asked to contribute some cheek cells from which their DNA was extracted for study. Participants from Israel, England and North America were asked to identify whether they were a Cohen, Levi or Israelite, and to identify their family background.
The results of the analysis of the Y chromosome markers of the Cohanim and non-Cohanim were indeed significant. A particular marker, (YAP-) was detected in 98.5 percent of the Cohanim, and in a significantly lower percentage of non-Cohanim.
FURTHER CONFIRMATION
In a second study, Dr. Skorecki and associates gathered more DNA samples and expanded their selection of Y chromosome markers. Solidifying their hypothesis of the Cohens' common ancestor, they found that a particular array of six chromosomal markers was found in 97 of the 106 Cohens tested. This collection of markers has come to be known as the Cohen Modal Hapoltype (CMH) -- the standard genetic signature of the Jewish priestly family. The chances of these findings happening at random is greater than one in 10,000.
The finding of a common set of genetic markers in both Ashkenazi and Sephardi Cohanim worldwide clearly indicates an origin pre-dating the separate development of the two communities around 1000 CE. Date calculation based on the variation of the mutations among Cohanim today yields a time frame of 106 generations from the ancestral founder of the line, some 3,300 years -- the approximate time of the Exodus from Egypt, the lifetime of Aaron HaCohen.
Professor Hammer was recently in Israel for the Jewish Genome Conference. He confirmed that his findings are consistent -- over 80 percent of self-identified Cohanim have a common set of markers.
The finding that less than one-third of the non-Cohen Jews who were tested possess these markers is not surprising to the geneticists. Jewishness is not defined genetically. Other Y-chromosomes can enter the Jewish gene pool through conversion or through a non-Jewish father. Jewish status is determined by the mother. Tribe membership follows the father's line.
AMAZING STATISTICS
Calculations based on the high rate of genetic similarity of today's Cohanim resulted in the highest "paternity-certainty" rate ever recorded in population genetics studies -- a scientific testimony to family faithfulness.
Stated Dr. David Goldstein of Oxford University:
"For more than 90 percent of the Cohens to share the same genetic markers after such a period of time is a testament to the devotion of the wives of the Cohens over the years. Even a low rate of infidelity would have dramatically lowered the percentage."
[Science News, October 3, 1998]
Wider genetic studies of diverse present day Jewish communities show a remarkable genetic cohesiveness. Jews from Iran, Iraq, Yemen, North Africa and European Ashkenazim all cluster together with other Semitic groups, with their origin in the Middle East. A common geographical original can be seen for all mainstream Jewish groups studied.
This genetic research has clearly refuted the libel that the Ashkenazi Jews are not related to the ancient Hebrews, but are descendants of the Kuzar tribe -- a pre-10th century Turko-Asian empire which reportedly converted en masse to Judaism. Researchers compared the DNA signature of the Ashkenazi Jews against those of Turkish-derived people, and found no correspondence.
OTHER SURPRISING FINDINGS
In their second published paper in Nature (July 9, 1998) the researchers included an unexpected finding. Those Jews in the study who identified themselves as Levites did not show a common set of markers as did the Cohanim. The Levites clustered in three groupings, one of them the CMH. According to tradition, the Levites should also show a genetic signature from a common paternal patrilineal ancestor. The researchers are now focusing effort on the study of Levites' genetic make up to learn more about their history in the Diaspora.
Using the CMH as a DNA signature of the ancient Hebrews, researchers are pursuing a hunt for Jewish genes around the world.
This could have ramifications in the search for the Biblical Ten Lost Tribes.
Using the genetic markers of the Cohanim as a yardstick, these genetic archaeologists are using DNA research to discover historical links to the Jewish people.
The researchers' policy is that the research is not a test of individuals, but an examination of the extended family. Having the CMH is not a proof of one's being a Cohen, for the mother's side is also significant in determining one's Cohen status. At present, there are no ramifications in Jewish law due to this discovery. No one is certified nor disqualified because of their Y chromosome markers.
The research has shown a clear genetic relationship amongst Cohanim and their direct lineage from a common ancestor. The research findings support the Torah statements that the line of Aaron will last throughout history:
"... and they shall have the Priesthood as a statute forever, and you shall consecrate Aaron and his sons." [Exodus 29:9]
"... it shall be for them an appointment to an everlasting Priesthood throughout their generations." [Exodus 40:15]
"And it shall be to him and to his descendants after him a covenant of everlastingPriesthood." [Numbers 25:13]
That our Torah tradition is supported by these findings is an inspiration for many that God surely keeps His promises. May we soon see the Cohanim restored to their service, Levites on their Temple platform and Israelites at their places.
If you are a Cohen or Levi interested in participating in the DNA research and/or receiving further information please contact:
Center For Cohanim,
3 Rehov HaMekubalim,
Old City, Jerusalem, Israel
Phone/Fax: (02) 628-9243
Email: ymkleiman@hotmail.com
ACKNOWLEDGEMENT
Thanks to Professor Edward Simon, microbiologist at Purdue University, lecturer and board member of the Association of Orthodox Jewish Scientists, for his expert input.
This article can also be read at: http://www.aish.com/societyWork/sciencenature/The_Cohanim_-_DNA_Connection.asp

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Author Biography:
Rabbi Yaakov HaKohen Kleiman is a lecturer at Aish HaTorah, Jerusalem, specializing in Temple studies. He is co-director with Rabbi Nachman Kahana, of the Center For Kohanim.
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The end of what this 'Jew' write above

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jgm00002-Skorecki-DNA-Assertion

2008-11-24T11:09:00.000-08:00

A lot of fluff but in a nut shell, this research is not above a junior high school level

This article is packed with impressive titles, big name universities, well known scientific publications, achievements, lines to get readers excited and fancy scientific terms.

A a top-level researcher
A leading researcher in molecular genetics
A pioneer in Y chromosome research.
Aish HaTorah, Jerusalem
AMAZING STATISTICS
As a scientist
Being a nephrologist
Center For Cohanim,
DNA analysis to the study of history and population diversity.
Dr. David Goldstein
Dr. Karl Skoreck
genetic archaeologists
His research on the development of the Japanese people.
His research on the origins of the Native American Indians
Maternal genealogies
microbiologist
mitrocondrial DNA
molecular genetics
Nature (July 9, 1998)
neutral mutations, known as a haplotype
non-coding DNA
Orthodox Jewish Scientists
OTHER SURPRISING FINDINGS
Oxford University:
Professor Edward Simon
Professor Michael Hammer
Purdue University
Rabbi Nachman Kahana
Rabbi Yaakov HaKohen Kleiman
Researchers
Science News, October 3, 1998
The Center For Kohanim.
The Cohen Modal Hapoltype (CMH)
The Jewish Genome Conference.
The non-coding regions of the DNA
The prestigious British science journal
The Rambam-Technion Medical Center
The study of the life-sciences
The University of Arizona
The University of Toronto
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Impressive titles, big name universities, well known scientific publications, acheivments, lines to get readers excited and fancy scientific terms ... BUT none of the above has any thing to do with their claims.

The basis of the 'Jew' assertion that they can connect modern day 'Jews' to being descendants of Aaron is based on these proceedures.

a) Taking a sample by swabbing inside the mouth (any grade school kid can do this)
b) Sending the sample to a lab (no electron microscope needed)
c) Placing the samples into machines already designed by others. This is not science, it is no more being a mechanic who is trained to use pre-defined proceedures to process the sample. ( A junior high kid could learn how to do this in a day ).
d) A computer than creates a chart, with different areas.

e) Either by visual inspection or OCR (optical character recoginization) there is only one yes or no question.
Does this sample have this particular mutation YES or NO

f) All samples are taken for the TOTAL SAMPLES
g) Number of (YES) those who have the mutation divided by TOTAL SAMPLES = PERCENTAGE OF THOSE WHO HAVE THE MARKER.

103 males tested
92 of those males have the mutation

92/103 = .8932039 rounded off 89% of the males have the mutation.
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The total 'science' used is

* Taking samples with a swab
* Placing the samples in a machine that does ALL the computations to create a graph
* Visual or OCR inspection to answer the simple question the sample does or does not contain this mutation
* Adding the total samples
* Dividing the number of samples that have the mutation by the total samples.

This process is junior high stuff. While they add all the fluff of Impressive titles, big name universities, well known scientific publications, acheivments, lines to get readers excited and fancy scientific terms ", the process taken to find these results could be done by a 5th grader after watching it done in a lab for one day.

The assertion Aaron was the first to have this mutation over 3,300 years ago is based on the % of modern day men calling themselves Cohen that have it. That is the basis of this 'science' in a nut shell.

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jgm00003-Skorecki-DNA-Assertion

2008-11-24T10:54:00.000-08:00

How-is-the-mutation-created-and-passed

Before examining males who have this DNA mutation we should first clear up some questions I have listed below.
jgm00003.001 Assuming one way of passing the trait is through semen. Is it possible that females retain the mutation in their body in some cloaked method?

jgm00003.002 Can this mutation be passed by blood transfusions or by drug users sharing a needle?

jgm00003.003 Is this mutation produced by the bone marrow or is it just reproduced in the blood stream?

jgm00003.004 Can this DNA mutation be passed through sodomy or in other exchanges of body fluids?

jgm00003.005 Can this DNA mutation be passed between humans and animals?

jgm00003.006 Has this mutation ever been found in any animals?

jgm00004-Skorecki-DNA-Assertion

2008-11-24T10:45:00.000-08:00

Variables-in-Excel-Spread-Sheets

IF YOU USE EXCEL YOU CAN PLUG IN YOUR OWN VARIABLES

The use of excel spread sheets in projections based on math.

In the assertion that DNA traits prove 'Jews' are descendants of the Israelites, I asked how the number of tested 'Jews' that has it, proves when or where it originated.

One suggestion was it could be proven mathematically by reverse family tree projections. I will explain that idea on that page. If they want to use a math formula, then we can use their idea and see if it works.

Before I give the first model, I will explain the use of the spread sheets.

blank| | some text
blank| | some text
VAR| | What was the average % of the population that were females
blank| | some text

Any one who wants to speculate based on numbers, simply adds their projection to the right of the VAR

VAR means Variable

When all the variable fields are filled in, the projected numbers will be displayed according to your own

If you say, I have no way to know what those variables were, you can look to the author who made the assertion they could project when and where a mutation started based on the numbers.

Your question to yourself will be, did this 'expert' actually have a factual basis to use these numbers or did they just make up the numbers up to make their story work.

There can be no wrong number, you can try the spread sheet with all kind of variables and it is my assertion, no matter what combination of variables you use.

It is my assertion: The place and time line a mutation began can not be projected by knowing the number in a modern population who share that mutation.

If there are any errors found in the formulas, point them out as you go along. To report the errors to a public group who reads about these issues, here is how you can post to the group with out giving up your good e-mail address

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Jews-Uncensored/message/22226

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jgm00005-Skorecki-DNA-Assertion

2008-11-24T10:38:00.000-08:00

Asian-Israelites

Using the concept of the "Jewish DNA expert", how many Israelites would be assimilated into the Asian/Africans, lost their identity and would be called Arabs today? Family trees grow exponentially. In past history.

If we use the information in the scriptures and a conservative family tree growth program, today there would be millions of middle east Arabs (converts to Islam) who are descendants of the Israelites.

The lost tribes of Israel = more middle east Muslims than all the Europeans who call themselves Jews?

The expodential growth of families in past history

* NO birth control

* NO abortions

* NO women's lib

Couples had very large families and I suppose with out medicine people did not live as long as they do in our time.

Males could produce children at any age and a short life of women is not relative, because they only needed to live long enough to bare children and after they were born, the death of women would not be a factor in the growth of family trees.

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I have placed these spread sheets in Google storage area so they might still exist long after I I am gone. Freely copy and distribute any of my pages or spread sheets.

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We often hear the story that the Israelites were scattered into Europe by the Romans

One rebuttal was the Romans took the Israelites into Europe, like Africans were enslaved and taken from their native land. The hole is this story is the lands where the Romans were supposed to have taken Israelites in, were already slave nations of the Romans and every one in those European nations were already their slaves)

(Counter arguments to 'Jews' taken into Europe by the Romans http://encyclopediaegypt.com/israel/rome.htm )

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While many people thought the Romans took the Israelites into Europe, they are ignorant of the scriptures that reveal the Israelites were scattered into the Persian empire before the Romans ever arrived.

The great masses of Israelites were scattered into the Asian/African provinces of the Persian empire and only a trivial fraction returned to Israel.

Ezra 1:1 Cyrus king of Persia.. made a proclamation throughout all his kingdom

Ezra 1:3 Who ... among you of all his .. will go to Jerusalem.. to build the house of the Lord

HOW MANY ISRAELITES ARE RECORDED RETURNING

Ezra 2:64 The whole congregation together was forty and two thousand three hundred and threescore .. 42,360 + their servants

Ezra 2:65 Beside their servants and their maids, of whom there were seven thousand three hundred thirty

Less than 50,000 Israelites are ever recorded returning from the Persian empire which was composed of 127 provinces that extended from India to Sudan.

How many Israelites were assimilated and never returned?

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What do we do know to this trivial fraction of Israelites that did return?

Nehemiah 13:23 In those days also saw I Jews that had married wives of Ashdod, of Ammon, and of Moab

Nehemiah 13:24 And their children spake half in the speech of Ashdod, and could not speak in the Jews' language, but according to the language of each people.

By the time this fraction of Israelites returned, their own children were being assimilated and were a mix of the other Asians they lived among.

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What happened to the Israelites which never returned from the Persian empire?

The book of Esther is about the Israelites who remained scattered through out the Persian empire.

Esther 1:1 Now it came to pass in the days of Ahasuerus, (this is Ahasuerus which reigned, from India even unto Ethiopia, over an hundred and seven and twenty provinces:)

Esther 2:6 (Mordecai) Who had been carried away from Jerusalem with the captivity which had been carried away with Jeconiah king of Judah

Esther 4:3 And in every province.. there was great mourning among the Jews (scattered through the Persian Empire, Sudan, Egypt.. India, Iraq, Syria.. Asia/Africa)

Esther 8:9 ..All that Mordecai commanded unto the Jews... from India unto Ethiopia, an hundred twenty and seven provinces

Esther 9:20 And Mordecai wrote these things, and sent letters unto all the Jews that were in *ALL* the provinces of the king Ahasuerus

After the account of the trivial number of Israelites returning to Israel in the book of Ezra, the masses remained dispersed through out the Persian empire. The children of Esther would be the children of the Persian (Iranian) king the masses of Israelites were assimilated into the Asian / African populations long before the Romans ever invaded Palestine.

In the prophecy of the actual Israelite's return, it is ONLY these Asian/African lands ever identified where they will be gathered from.

Isaiah 11:11 .. the Lord shall... recover the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria, Egypt, Pathros, Cush/Sudan, Elam, Shinar, Hamath, and from the islands of the sea.

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The assertion that the number of "Jews" found with this mutation proves WHERE and WHEN the mutation began, if based on a math formula, lets first use a spread sheet to

* Determine the number of Israelites that existed when numbered in the book of Numbers

* Determine the number of Israelites that were assimilated into the Asian/African nations, who lost their identity and are not called Arabs.

We will use the same data from the scriptures and the same process to arrive at these numbers.

If this DNA 'expert' can project where and when a mutation originated, we can use his own assertions and equally apply them. This includes all Israelites, but the same process will work for one tribe (the Levites)

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To the right of each variable VAR, type in your own projected number

Line 13 will be the total number of Israelites that existed after they left Egypt

Line 56 will be the number of Israelites that were assimilated in the Persian provinces

Subtract the number who returned (42,360), and the remainder are the number of Israelites who never returned but who were assimilated into the Persian empire.

It is not written they never returned, but speculation is not based on ignorance, but speculation is based on facts, data, evidence.

Even if they did return to Israel, using your own variables, you might explain where this number of people ever lived.

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If you intend to accept the "expert's" assertion that a math process can identify the Cohen by this process.. use that process, go back to the beginning.

Then reverse the process and include all tribes, to see how many Israelites would exist today IF this "expert" has any feasible calculation .

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Just replace the blank space to the right of the VAR and make your own projection.

http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=pJn__Chzo3FxswcXbXL3_Pw

jgm00006.001 Do you think this "DNA expert can use the number of 'Jews' with this mutation to prove when and where it originated. Yes or NO

jgm00006.002 If you think the number of people that share a mutation can project when and where it originated, use more than words. Create your model and demonstrate exactly how it would work.

jgm00006.003 If this DNA 'expert' has a formula for computing where and when a mutation originated, site the exact page or paragraph

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jgm00006-Skorecki-DNA-Assertion

2008-11-24T10:32:00.000-08:00

Excel Spread Sheet

How-Many-Israelites-Today

If you believe a mathematician can project population growth with known numbers and a mathematical formula, enter your variables in this spread sheet or get your mathematical / family tree expert to produce a spread sheet with a formula that you think will work.

http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=pJn__Chzo3FxswcXbXL3_Pw

After you enter the 5 variables it will project the number of Israelites that would exist today.

If you think European "Jews" are Israelites, subtract 6 million for the European cleansing and the remainder will be the number of Israelites that would exist today.

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Using your own variables, by your own projection how many Israelites would exist today.

jgm00007-Skorecki-DNA-Assertion

2008-11-24T10:25:00.000-08:00

Who-Can-You-Believe

Nothing is true or false because it is on any one's web pages. Web pages just give us a place to start our search and verify or cast out assertions made.

WHO IS TO BE CONSIDERED A HOSTILE WITNESS?

* Do they have any religious or political agenda, that might be a motive to publish false information?

* Are they making finical profit by pushing that information?

* Do they try to control the assertions, arguments of their opponents with censorship tactics so only their one sided propaganda is heard?

* Have they been conditioned to have specific beliefs before they could ever talk?

* I the author of this web site am a hostile witness. After years of thought and debate on these topics, I am convinced of the conclusions I have made. I have been shown errors and have corrected my words. I do make mistakes.

What ever you conclude, when you read my words, you must challenge them.

WHO ARE THE MOST TRUSTWORTHY WITNESSES

* Those who make the same profit or no profit at all, no matter what version of information they publish.

* People who's business would actually lose money by creating false information.

i.e. If a nature program were making a travel film about people in an isolated region, it would cut into their profit by hiring actors pretending to be natives of that area.

i.e. The law enforcement offices around the world make their living in identifying bodies that are found, so it is unlikely they would publish false information to the world.

Law enforcement actually gets lots of help from the public in solving such cases so publishing false information would cut their own throats.

* Those who publish information about things very hard to fake, are likely to publish factual information. i.e. People who publish information about the Great Wall of China, the pyramids.

* When people have a great motive to lie or create fake objects that is easy to do, when it is very hard to pin the tail on these frauds, then there will be an endless stream of cons.

Who are we to trust? I can not tell you who to trust, but for myself if an individual or group has a strong motive to lie, censor, deceive people, I am going to bet they will every time they think they can get away with it.

When ever you visit any one's web site you do not need to verify every thing on that page, just focus on any segments of information that deals specifically with the focus of your study.

When you get to those related segments, forget the identities of who the authors are and test the specific information that addresses issues in your study.

PEOPLE'S NAMES AND THEIR TITLES MEAN NOTHING
YOU MUST ARGUE WITH ARGUMENTS
NO MATTER THE IDENTITY OF THEIR ASSERTIONS

No matter if they are sitting in a prison or at the head of a desk at a university, those who have interest in some topic will offer information, it is the information not the mouth it comes out of that must be tested.

As I create these pages, I will include questions for that page. You can answer the questions as you go along and when you get to the end, the conclusions you have made will be your conclusions, not mine.

I know in discussing controversial issues one's opponents will not respond to points you make along the way, but later when you have covered many points they will use negative blanket statements to brush off all the points you made.

By dividing the discussion into pages, you can keep score at the end of each page you can fill in your own answers and make note of any opponents pose any opposition on that page.

If / When some one condemns my words in a blanket statement, tell them to pick out the first page of my false information, point out the paragraph and see if you, yourself find it to be false.

The focus of this study will be the race of western Europeans compared to the original races around the world.

I may point to dozens of videos of Egyptology, National Geographic, PBS, Travel programs, forensic science programs, techniques used by law enforcement through out the world to identify people when nothing is found but their sculls.

You can conclude for yourself if these diverse agencies, publishers have a reason to produce false data, and faked photography in their presentations.

Did the moon landing actually take place or was that faked by the government?

The questions I ask won't be that hard, you will be able to make your own conclusions on each page.

You won't need trust me, when you respond to the questions, it is only yourself you need to trust.

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Before I get into the study/debate I will cover some of the tricks used by those who attempt to use deceptive methods to convince others.

jgm00008-Skorecki-DNA-Assertion

2008-11-24T10:23:00.001-08:00

Exposing the fluff bunnies before studying the Jew genetic marker story.

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When involved in any study, what facts are relative?

Often when people are in a discussion or debate, one statement is about the education of the source they are quoting.

They have a PHD, they are a professor, they went to college for 6 years.

They have a masters in xyz.

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When we study any issue, there may be hundreds of statements or assertions made.

Each tidbit of information is unique and separate from all the other tidbits of information

Ok, so a person went to a university for 8 years. They took classes in

Biology, Chemistry, Dance, Engineering, French, History, Photography, Sociology, Statistics and probabilities, Trig

No one can discuss all issues of all studies at one time. Bits of information are established one at a time.

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Let's say we have a question about the height of a pole we can not climb.

If some person paid $40,000 for their education and they studied Biology, Chemistry, Dance, French, History, Photography, Sociology, Statistics and probabilities, and took 50 other courses beside these, all the education that does not deal with the question at hand is a moot point.

If a person just took a math class in high school and remembered a lesson in trig, they could solve this problem.

If you took a trig course that lasted 6 or 8 weeks, there would be hundreds of things you learned in trig, that could not help you solve this problem.

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* Studies of any issue may involve dozens or hundreds of individual tidbits of information.

* Each bite of information is unique and nothing in a university course other than that which addresses the question at hand, is relative.

If you are constructing a machine, what you learned in electronics will not help you when you are designing your hydraulics.

What you learned in economics will not help you in figuring stress.

Question #1: A bowling ball was dropped from 30', what was it's speed when it hit the ground.

Question #2: In taking college classes for 8 years

(a) How many of those classes are relative to the question at hand

(b) How much time in the 8 years did it take the person to obtain the information to solve this problem?

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In any study there are multiple bites of information that require an answer that addresses that question and nothing else.

As the list of questions/assertions are made, ONLY the information relative to that point is relative.

All the knowledge, all the education about information that does not address the pending point is moot and a complete waste of time.

Information/knowledge that does not address the point at hand is of no more value than it would be if some one was discussing how to bake a cake and another person responding with the suggested air pressure of a 15 inch tire.

Those who inject non related information are nothing but fluff bunnies, who attempt to pad their case with hot air.

ALL INFORMATION

THAT DOES NOT ADDRESS

THE POINT AT HAND

IS MOOT, ABSTRACT, HOT AIR

In pages of this 'document' connecting modern 'Jews' to Aaron, there are not 5 paragraphs that address that assertion. The persons who write this stuff pretending to be coming from a scientific perspective should run for king of the fluff bunnies.

jgm00009-Skorecki-DNA-Assertion

2008-11-24T09:59:00.000-08:00

Professor-Smarty-Pants

Usually when people are in some controversial debate, they like to give credence to their argument by including some TITLE.

Reverend, Rabbi BnSER , Professor, Bloopdblop, Dr. DoDo ... Who says what is proof of NOTHING. What they say and back up with evidence is the ONLY proof that exists.

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People who have nothing to do with being a Doctor, pay a university thousands and they get the title of Dr. ... Professor, and some how this makes gullible people think what ever they say is a fact by virtue of their title.

What is some one with a university degree with the title, Dr. or Professor?

* Just like every one who takes a class, they start out and they pay to take classes to learn what some one else discovered or wrote.

* Books are composed of a collection of facts, discovers, opinions of thousands of people all over the world.

* The university makes the student buy their own books and teaches the information gathered from an array of people from endless places and in the span of time.

* Actually to become a professor, these people pay a university to teach them the knowledge other people have gathered. A very tiny fraction of the courses they teach, ever contain information created at the university.

* So a kid starts out, buys the knowledge of others through a third party (the university) and obtains a degree.

* After they get their degree, they become a professor and then it is they who get paid sell the knowledge created by others to new students.

HIM A PROFESSOR, OH GULLY GEE

Being a professor only means you could stand to read all of your assignments, get through the test and pay thousands of dollars for multiple years.

BEING A UNIVERSITY STUDENT OR GRADUATE

Only means you could stand to read through your assignments, get passing grades and pay thousands of dollars.

Universities are hard to get through

* Because of the finical burden

* The pressure to get through the classes

* Temptation to get into all kind of things when you are supposed to be studying.

* The great amount of information you are forced to learn in a very short period.

Reading, writing and speaking Chinese is very hard to learn for many students and yet little Chinese children learn how.

There is nothing or very little you can learn in a university that a school kid could not learn. Take one page of your book and see if a juvenile can learn the information on that page.

It is not the contents of what you learn but the quaintly of what you must learn that is difficult.

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Ok so you are in college, what is the process:

* You buy their books

* You pay their tuition

* You go to class

* The professor gives you a chapter to read

* You go to a room and beat your brains out trying to absorb all of the information. You can't get behind because this pattern will be repeated over and over until time for the quiz.

The professor really does not teach you the bulk of all you need to learn, you have to learn it on your own time after class. Friends might help you, but the professor is not teaching you all of that information.

If there is something you can't get, you might get the professor to fill that tidbit in.

Do you have to be at college to learn the information given in your assignment? If you commute and read the book at home, will learn different information than if you read it in a dorm?

Now they have on-line classes with people a hundred miles away from a university, they can learn the same information.

Being a university student or graduate only means you have to learn a whole lot of information and pay thousands of dollars.

Being a university graduate gives you a great potential for getting a good job but the bulk of all you paid to learn, will never be used the rest of your life.

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Being a college grad, professor or Dr. adds no credibility to any conclusion you make.

When there is some real problem to be solved or point to be made, ONLY the information gained that addresses the pending question is relative.

Titles / credentials are nothing but fluff. People looking for information about any topic can find the same information learned at a university.

The massive amount of information one learns at a university.. that will never be applied is gathered only because it is a university requirement to graduate. It is for the finical gain of universities.

You have to appease the university to get your degree and you must learn the never applied information to impress potential employers... so when you go to work for them, you have a history of all the information you learned.. that will never be used.

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If you have been out of college a few years, you forget almost all you ever learned.

You will never use 10% of all you paid to learn.

How smart do you have to be, in order to be a college grad? Right now (2008) they have a TV program where constants can win up to a million dollars.

ARE YOU SMARTER THAN A 5TH GRADER

All you have to do to win the million is to answer questions that are taught in the first to 5th grade.

They have a panel of 5th graders who sit on the side and many times the kids know the answers that Harvard, Yale ... university graduates and an astronaut failed to answer.

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When ever you are in a debate or discussion trying to solve a problem, know that when any one begins to drop titles or mentions their education background, that is a moot point.

It is evidence of nothing... it is nothing but Fluff !

If in their education they gained and remembered the information to address the issue,

IT IS ONLY THE SPECIFIC INFORMATION
THAT ADDRESSES THE ISSUE AT HAND
THAT IS RELATIVE

Unless the topic is about that person, the mention (good or bad) about their achievements is used only by those who need to add meaningless fluff

Why point out that the names of universities, the amount of education or titles is not evidence of any facts? Because those who wrote this hoax packs the Jew DNA story with such fluff to pad their story. This NON information impresses gullible people who never notice, they have not produced one fact tying modern 'Jews' to any ancient people of the middle east.

Encyclopedia Egypt

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2008-11-24T09:46:00.000-08:00

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The fascinating story of how DNA studies confirm an ancient biblical tradition
by Rabbi Yaakov Kleiman
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Dr* Karl Skorecki, a Cohen of Eastern European parents, was attending synagogue one morning.
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The Cohen called up for the Torah reading that morning was a Jew of Sephardic background, whose parents were born in North Africa.
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Dr* Skorecki looked at the Sephardi Cohen's physical features and considered his own physical features. They were significantly different in stature, skin coloration and hair and eye color.
Yet both had a tradition of being Cohanim, direct descendants of one man -- Aaron, the brother of Moses.
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Cohanim (plural of Cohen) are the priestly family of the Jewish people, members of the Tribe of Levi.
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The books of Exodus and Leviticus describe the responsibilities of the Cohanim, which include the Temple service and blessing of the people.
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The Torah (the first five books of the Bible) describes the anointing of Aaron, the brother of Moses, as the first High Priest (Cohen Gadol).
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Jewish tradition, based on the Torah, is that all Cohanim are direct descendants of Aaron, the brother of Moses.
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The Cohen line is patrilineal -- passed from father to son without interruption for 3,300 years, or more than 100 generations.
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Dr* Skorecki considered, "According to tradition, this Sephardi Cohen and I have a common ancestor.
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Could this line have been maintained since Sinai, and throughout the long exile of the Jewish people?
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" As a scientist, he wondered, could such a claim be tested?
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Being a nephrologist and a top-level researcher at the University of Toronto and the Rambam-Technion Medical Center in Haifa, he was involved in the breakthroughs in molecular genetics which are revolutionizing medicine and the study of the life- sciences.
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He was also aware of the newly developing application of DNA analysis to the study of history and population diversity.
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Dr* Skorecki considered a hypothesis: if the Cohanim are descendants of one man, they should have a common set of genetic markers -- a common haplotype -- that of their common ancestor. In our case, Aaron HaCohen.
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HOW IT WORKS
A genetic marker is a variation in the nucleotide sequence of the DNA, known as a mutation.
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Mutations which occur within genes -- a part of the DNA which codes for a protein -- usually cause a malfunction or disease and is lost due to selection in succeeding generations.
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However, mutations found in so-called "non-coding regions" of the DNA tend to persist.
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Since the Y chromosome consists almost entirely of non-coding DNA (except for the genes determining maleness), it would tend to accumulate mutations.
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Since it is passed from father to son without recombination, the genetic information on a Y chromosome of a man living today is basically the same as that of his ancient male ancestors, except for the rare mutations that occur along the hereditary line.
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A combination of these neutral mutations, known as a haplotype, can serve as a genetic signature of a man's male ancestry.
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Maternal genealogies are also being studied by means of the m-DNA (mitrocondrial DNA), which is inherited only from the mother.
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THE SEARCH BEGINS
Dr* Skorecki made contact with Professor Michael Hammer, of the University of Arizona, a leading researcher in molecular genetics and a pioneer in Y chromosome research.
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Professor Hammer uses DNA analysis to study the history of populations, their origins and migrations.
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His previous research included work on the origins of the Native American Indians and the development of the Japanese people.
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A study was undertaken to test the hypothesis.
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If there were a common ancestor, the Cohanim should have common genetic markers at a higher frequency than the general Jewish population.
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In the first study, as reported in the prestigious British science journal, Nature (January 2, 1997), 188 Jewish males were asked to contribute some cheek cells from which their DNA was extracted for study.
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Participants from Israel, England and North America were asked to identify whether they were a Cohen, Levi or Israelite, and to identify their family background.
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The results of the analysis of the Y chromosome markers of the Cohanim and non-Cohanim were indeed significant.
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A particular marker, (YAP-) was detected in 98.
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5 percent of the Cohanim, and in a significantly lower percentage of non-Cohanim.
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FURTHER CONFIRMATION
In a second study, Dr* Skorecki and associates gathered more DNA samples and expanded their selection of Y chromosome markers.
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Solidifying their hypothesis of the Cohens' common ancestor, they found that a particular array of six chromosomal markers was found in 97 of the 106 Cohens tested.
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This collection of markers has come to be known as the Cohen Modal Hapoltype (CMH) -- the standard genetic signature of the Jewish priestly family.
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The chances of these findings happening at random is greater than one in 10,000.
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The finding of a common set of genetic markers in both Ashkenazi and Sephardi Cohanim worldwide clearly indicates an origin pre-dating the separate development of the two communities around 1000 CE.
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Date calculation based on the variation of the mutations among Cohanim today yields a time frame of 106 generations from the ancestral founder of the line, some 3,300 years -- the approximate time of the Exodus from Egypt, the lifetime of Aaron HaCohen.
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Professor Hammer was recently in Israel for the Jewish Genome Conference.
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He confirmed that his findings are consistent -- over 80 percent of self-identified Cohanim have a common set of markers.
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The finding that less than one-third of the non- Cohen Jews who were tested possess these markers is not surprising to the geneticists.
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Jewishness is not defined genetically.
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Other Y-chromosomes can enter the Jewish gene pool through conversion or through a non-Jewish father.
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Jewish status is determined by the mother.
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Tribe membership follows the father's line.
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AMAZING STATISTICS
Calculations based on the high rate of genetic similarity of today's Cohanim resulted in the highest "paternity-certainty" rate ever recorded in population genetics studies -- a scientific testimony to family faithfulness.
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Stated Dr* David Goldstein of Oxford University: "For more than 90 percent of the Cohens to share the same genetic markers after such a period of time is a testament to the devotion of the wives of the Cohens over the years.
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Even a low rate of infidelity would have dramatically lowered the percentage.
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"[Science News, October 3, 1998] Wider genetic studies of diverse present day Jewish communities show a remarkable genetic cohesiveness.
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Jews from Iran, Iraq, Yemen, North Africa and European Ashkenazim all cluster together with other Semitic groups, with their origin in the Middle East.
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A common geographical original can be seen for all mainstream Jewish groups studied.
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This genetic research has clearly refuted the libel that the Ashkenazi Jews are not related to the ancient Hebrews, but are descendants of the Kuzar tribe -- a pre-10th century Turko-Asian empire which reportedly converted en masse to Judaism.
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Researchers compared the DNA signature of the Ashkenazi Jews against those of Turkish-derived people, and found no correspondence.
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OTHER SURPRISING FINDINGS
In their second published paper in Nature (July 9, 1998) the researchers included an unexpected finding.
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Those Jews in the study who identified themselves as Levites did not show a common set of markers as did the Cohanim.
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The Levites clustered in three groupings, one of them the CMH.
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According to tradition, the Levites should also show a genetic signature from a common paternal patrilineal ancestor.
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The researchers are now focusing effort on the study of Levites' genetic make up to learn more about their history in the Diaspora.
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Using the CMH as a DNA signature of the ancient Hebrews, researchers are pursuing a hunt for Jewish genes around the world.
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This could have ramifications in the search for the Biblical Ten Lost Tribes.
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Using the genetic markers of the Cohanim as a yardstick, these genetic archaeologists are using DNA research to discover historical links to the Jewish people.
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The researchers' policy is that the research is not a test of individuals, but an examination of the extended family.
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Having the CMH is not a proof of one's being a Cohen, for the mother's side is also significant in determining one's Cohen status.
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At present, there are no ramifications in Jewish law due to this discovery.
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No one is certified nor disqualified because of their Y chromosome markers.
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The research has shown a clear genetic relationship amongst Cohanim and their direct lineage from a common ancestor.
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The research findings support the Torah statements that the line of Aaron will last throughout history: " and they shall have the Priesthood as a statute forever, and you shall consecrate Aaron and his sons." [Exodus 29:9]
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It shall be for them an appointment to an everlasting Priesthood throughout their generations." [Exodus 40:15]
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"And it shall be to him and to his descendants after him a covenant of everlastingPriesthood. " [Numbers 25:13]
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That our Torah tradition is supported by these findings is an inspiration for many that God surely keeps His promises.
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May we soon see the Cohanim restored to their service, Levites on their Temple platform and Israelites at their places.
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If you are a Cohen or Levi interested in participating in the DNA research and/or receiving further information please contact:
Center For Cohanim,
3 Rehov HaMekubalim,
Old City, Jerusalem, Israel
Phone/Fax: (02) 628-9243
Email: ymkleiman@hotmail.com
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ACKNOWLEDGEMENT
Thanks to Professor Edward Simon, microbiologist at Purdue University, lecturer and board member of the Association of Orthodox Jewish Scientists, for his expert input.
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Author Biography:
Rabbi Yaakov HaKohen Kleiman is a lecturer at Aish HaTorah, Jerusalem, specializing in Temple studies.
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He is co-director with Rabbi Nachman Kahana, of the Center For Kohanim
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Full Jew page, in case the original is deleted from the web

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The science used

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Excel introduction. For those who want to enter their own variables to make their own projections

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Excel: I assert almost all Israelites would be Asian/Arab Muslims Israelites according from the scripture information

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Excel: I say there would be over 100 million descendants of the Israelites by data in the scriptures and a conservative family tree projection. How many Israelites

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Who can we believe, when you read what bias people say or write?

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What facts are relative. The fluff bunnies always add endless unrelated information to pad their story. How much of that text is relative to their claims?

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Professor smarty pants

. What validity is given to a theory because the words come out of the mouth of a professor, Dr. , big organization or university?

Many of my responses are repeated over and over because the 'Jew' who wrote this page repeated the same stuff over and over. There is not one word they wrote that I did not respond to.

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If you get froggy and give some feed back, contribute, challenge, explain and keep your good e-mail private here is how I do that

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Jews-Uncensored/message/22226

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2008-11-21T17:44:00.001-08:00

The fascinating story of how DNA studies confirm an ancient biblical tradition

How does the above paragraph prove
(a) this mutation began 3300 years ago
(b) it began in Asia
(c) Aaron was the first to have it.

The guy opens his story with a statement that appears an attempt to excite people so they can't wait to read the information that would tie them to the Israelites... Just speculation on my part, but this opening line is fluff it presents no information to the DNA / Aaron connection

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2008-11-21T17:40:00.001-08:00

Dr* Karl Skorecki, a Cohen of Eastern European parents, was attending synagogue one morning.

How does the above paragraph prove
(a) this mutation began 3300 years ago
(b) it began in Asia
(c) Aaron was the first to have it.

Eastern European.. Poland? Doesn't matter. No information in this paragraph about DNA

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2008-11-21T17:38:00.001-08:00

The Cohen called up for the Torah reading that morning was a Jew of Sephardic background, whose parents were born in North Africa.

How does the above paragraph prove
(a) this mutation began 3300 years ago
(b) it began in Asia
(c) Aaron was the first to have it.

Cohen, here he means a modern day man who calls himself a Cohen. Cohen were descendants of Aaron who prepared burnt offerings and such IN the temple or tabernacle.

Sephardic = Spanish.. I don't know why they just don't just call themselves Spanish.
I don't know what a Spanish background would mean other than he lived in Spain and his parents were born in North Africa
(Where in North Africa?)

So here we have a guy reading scriptures and his parents were born in Africa.
No scientific information here.. just some fluff to make the story bigger.

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2008-11-21T17:32:00.001-08:00

Dr* Skorecki looked at the Sephardi Cohen's physical features and considered his own physical features. They were significantly different in stature, skin coloration and hair and eye color.
Yet both had a tradition of being Cohanim, direct descendants of one man -- Aaron, the brother of Moses.

How does the above paragraph prove
(a) this mutation began 3300 years ago
(b) it began in Asia
(c) Aaron was the first to have it.

If you look at hours of WW2 films with thousands of dead 'Jews' laying naked in the trenches, you will see nothing but the bodies of lily white bodies.

EVERY Israelite can be traced to being descendants of Hittites, Havites, Moabites, Midianites, Jebusites, Cananites, Chaldeans (ancient Iraqis), Syrians, Zideonina (Lebanon), Philistines Egyptians..
Every Israelite can be traced to an array of black Asians and Africans, so we ask where are the thousands of black bodies in the WW2 films of dead naked 'Jews' and how could this white race of Europeans share the same ancestor as the Negroes Lembas (which they claim)?

Of course there would be lots of Spaniards who are descendants of Asians and Africans because the Moors invaded and ruled Spain. I guess you know what happens to the gene pool when invading military forces take the land (you might look at the population of Vietnam before 1950 and after the Vietnam war)

Potipherah, Egyptian priest of On, is the grandfather of every member of the tribe of Joseph, they are all Potipher-ites.
http://encyclopediaegypt.com/israel/potipherah.htm

Joseph coat of many colors .. Every member of the tribe of Joseph is an Egyptian descendant
http://encyclopediaegypt.com/israel/i1050.htm

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2008-11-21T17:21:00.000-08:00

Cohanim (plural of Cohen) are the priestly family of the Jewish people, members of the Tribe of Levi.

How does the above paragraph prove
(a) this mutation began 3300 years ago
(b) it began in Asia
(c) Aaron was the first to have it.

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NO this guy is going to have to make up his mind, here he states a Cohen is a member of the Tribe of Levi, but later he says a Cohen is a descendant of Aaron. When the Levites were counted there were 22,000 males.

If a Cohen is a descendant of Aaron, then Cohens were 1/22,000th of the Levites.

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2008-11-21T17:17:00.001-08:00

The books of Exodus and Leviticus describe the responsibilities of the Cohanim, which include the Temple service and blessing of the people.

How does the above paragraph prove
(a) this mutation began 3300 years ago
(b) it began in Asia
(c) Aaron was the first to have it.

The masses of Israelites never entered the tabernacle nor the temple which was less than the size of half a football field.

ONLY a trivial fraction of the Israelites ever entered the tabernacle and the first temple was not built until 400 years after the Israelites returned from Egypt.

By the time the temple was built there would have been over 20 million Israelites and of course the temple was not large enough to hold 1/10th of 1 tribe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Judaism-Laws/message/782

Blessing the fraction that entered has NOTHING to do with the DNA of Aaron.

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2008-11-21T17:14:00.000-08:00

The Torah (the first five books of the Bible) describes the anointing of Aaron, the brother of Moses, as the first High Priest (Cohen Gadol).

How does the above paragraph prove
(a) this mutation began 3300 years ago
(b) it began in Asia
(c) Aaron was the first to have it.

Anoint: Refers to a very general practice in the East. It originated from the relief from the effect of the sun that was experienced in rubbing the body with oil or grease. Among rude people the common vegetable or animal fat was used. As society advanced and refinement became a part of civilization, delicately perfumed ointments were used for this purpose.

Anointing of Aaron has NOTHING to do with connecting modern populations to him through DNA.

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2008-11-21T17:01:00.000-08:00

Jewish tradition, based on the Torah, is that all Cohanim are direct descendants of Aaron, the brother of Moses.

How does the above paragraph prove
(a) this mutation began 3300 years ago
(b) it began in Asia
(c) Aaron was the first to have it.

I can not find the word 'tradition' in the Tanach / Old Testament. What do they mean 'tradition', it is not law because they do NOT keep the laws given to the Israelites.

Why do they call themselves 'Jews' implying they are descendants of the Israelites, but do not call themselves Israelites.
These mush words leave wiggle room or loop holes so they can not be pinned down.

Numbers 3:39 there were 22,000 male Levites
Numbers 2:32 there were 603,550 (over 20 years old) from 11 tribes
With the males under 20 in the 11 tribes, there would have been over 700,000 male Israelites

If a Cohanim is a descendant of Aaron, then about 1 in 700,000 males would be Cohen

Of course the descendants of Aaron would be his descendants, but of course the priest married women of other tribes and they married/produced children with non Israelites.
(In the book of Ezra, the priest had married non Israelites and produced children with them. Those wives and children were sent back to multiple Arab nations... and of course those sons would have spread the genetics of their priest fathers into the rest of the Arab population)

Cohen .. Descendants of Aaron would include thousands of Arabs who would now be Muslims. These verses are given later here.

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2008-11-21T16:42:00.001-08:00

The Cohen line is patrilineal -- passed from father to son without interruption for 3,300 years, or more than 100 generations.

How does the above paragraph prove
(a) this mutation began 3300 years ago
(b) it began in Asia
(c) Aaron was the first to have it.

This is a statement with out a shred of evidence. Neither in this paragraph or any paragraph in this complete text does he ever produce a shred of facts which prove what century it first existed, what part of the world it developed or who was the first to have it.

Before this 'scientist' could assert the Cohen line is passed from father to son.. he would first have to prove that Cohen.. the sons of Aaron had this mutation in the first place.. then he would have to prove these modern white Europeans are descendants of Aaron

Ezra 2:61 And of the children of the priests... Ezra 2:62 These sought their register among those that were reckoned by genealogy, but they were not found: therefore were they, as polluted, put from the priesthood

2,500 years ago after they were in captivity less than 100 years, these priest had no evidence of their heritage and yet these modern Russians, Germans and Pollocks call themselves Cohen.. Let them provide their evidence .

This is my challenge for any one who claims to be able to trace their family tree to the Israelites http://encyclopediaegypt.com/israel/f1000.htm

This guy just spouts a line of BS with out a shred of evidence and the lemmings want to believe it so bad, they never question or work out the math for themselves.. and that is what it amounts to.

Testing 1 1/50,000th of all those who calling themselves Cohen

Finding the % of that trivial fraction that shares the mutation and using that % to assert that percentage proves when, where and who the mutation came from.. that is their science in a nut shell

jgm00020-Skorecki-DNA-Assertion

2008-11-21T16:32:00.001-08:00

Dr* Skorecki considered, "According to tradition, this Sephardi Cohen and I have a common ancestor.

How does the above paragraph prove
(a) this mutation began 3300 years ago
(b) it began in Asia
(c) Aaron was the first to have it.

Except what you have came to believe from the hearsay of grandpa you have never had any reason to think you were a 'Cohen'
"TRADITION" .. MYTHOLOGY has nothing to do with science..

Yes you could have Randy Russian as your common ancestor, but unless you dig up the body of the suspect originator, you can not connect yourself with any other than those you have to compare yourself with.

This guy asserts his evidence is based on science, but his evidence is based on mythology.. tradition, that is what my grandma told me.

Math, biology, chemistry, physics.. what branch of science does "tradition" come from. Dr. Bullwinkel, Give us your scientific FACTS!

jgm00021-Skorecki-DNA-Assertion

2008-11-21T16:28:00.001-08:00

Could this line have been maintained since Sinai, and throughout the long exile of the Jewish people?

How does the above paragraph prove
(a) this mutation began 3300 years ago
(b) it began in Asia
(c) Aaron was the first to have it.

There were no Jewish people at Sinai, only Israelites. In the text of the 'Jew' version nor in the original text of the Christians did those identified as 'Jews' ever identify the 12 tribes.

The word Jew comes from 8 words with multiple different meaning and the only context in which Levites were 'Jews' did not take place until after the divided kingdom when the Levites became part of the 3 tribes of the southern split.

Note this tactic

Could this line have been maintained since Sinai .. using a leading statement, with out a shred of evidence to tie the origins to any part of the earth

Could this line have been maintained since Randy Russian took his sheep to graze.

There is no objective reasoning. He uses leading statements and wishful thinking to make modern men believe that which fits their fancy.

jgm00022-Skorecki-DNA-Assertion

2008-11-21T16:21:00.001-08:00

" As a scientist, he wondered, could such a claim be tested?

How does the above paragraph prove
(a) this mutation began 3300 years ago
(b) it began in Asia
(c) Aaron was the first to have it.

Filler / Fluff, evidence of nothing

jgm00023-Skorecki-DNA-Assertion

2008-11-21T16:19:00.001-08:00

Being a nephrologist and a top-level researcher at the University of Toronto and the Rambam-Technion Medical Center in Haifa, he was involved in the breakthroughs in molecular genetics which are revolutionizing medicine and the study of the life- sciences

How does the above paragraph prove
(a) this mutation began 3300 years ago
(b) it began in Asia
(c) Aaron was the first to have it.

More fluff. It does not matter if he is an astronaut or if he is sitting in prison. HE nor his titles are evidence of any claims. Any accomplishments that do not present evidence in this 'proof of Aaron's descendant' is hot air which serves no purpose but to pad this claim with unrelated BS

jgm00024-Skorecki-DNA-Assertion

2008-11-21T16:13:00.001-08:00

He was also aware of the newly developing application of DNA analysis to the study of history and population diversity.

How does the above paragraph prove
(a) this mutation began 3300 years ago
(b) it began in Asia
(c) Aaron was the first to have it.

They can only study links to populations in the past, when they dig up the bodies of the past, take their DNA and see if they Share the same traits.

They can not study the HISTORY of any population, UNLESS they dig up bodies from the PAST and examine them !

They can NOT compare the physical data of present humans with past humans, If they don't dig up the bodies of the past, then have NOTHING to test or compare !

You can not compare any thing unless you have both things to compare. Do they claim to have the bodies of any 3,500 people to compare modern men with?

jgm00025-Skorecki-DNA-Assertion

2008-11-21T16:10:00.001-08:00

Dr* Skorecki considered a hypothesis: IF the Cohanim are descendants of one man, they should have a common set of genetic markers -- a common haplotype -- that of their common ancestor. In our case, Aaron HaCohen.

How does the above paragraph prove
(a) this mutation began 3300 years ago
(b) it began in Asia
(c) Aaron was the first to have it.

They use multiple spellings Cohanim or Cohen or priest .. their assertion is
Cohanim means descendant of Aaron

IF the Cohanim are not Cohanim at all but descendants of a Russian who got the mutation by having sex with sheep they should have a common haplotype - in our case that common ancestor Randy the Russian sheep lover.

This IF is NOT based on any scientific data, this IF is based on NOTHING but wishful thinking and shear imagination.

BEFORE you get to that IF, you will have to produce the body of the suspect originator.
That mutation could have came from any of 500 billion men any time in 3000 or 100 years ago.

When all the male Israelites were counted (with those under 20 not counted) there would have been over 700,000 male Israelites.

If Aaron was the donor of this mutation and they kept it in that line only 1 in 700,000 'Jews' would have it.

This SAME DNA mutation is also found in this research that Lembas (Negroes of South Africa) have this mutation. Here you will have to explain how the 'Jews' of Europe were a white race and the Lembas of Africa are a Negro race IF they shared the same grandfather.

The concept that they could share the same ancestors and be different races is exposed here
http://encyclopediaegypt.com/israel/eg-blond.htm & How DNA is used by the FBI to determine the origins of ancestors http://encyclopediaegypt.com/e-race.htm

jgm00026-Skorecki-DNA-Assertion

2008-11-21T15:53:00.000-08:00

HOW IT WORKS
A genetic marker is a variation in the nucleotide sequence of the DNA, known as a mutation.

How does the above paragraph prove
(a) this mutation began 3300 years ago
(b) it began in Asia
(c) Aaron was the first to have it.

#1 Aren't there hundreds or even thousands of different mutations in different populations?

We understand your assertion is based on one specific mutation. Now connect that mutation to a 3,300 dead man (not to modern populations)

jgm00027-Skorecki-DNA-Assertion

2008-11-21T15:49:00.000-08:00

Mutations which occur within genes -- a part of the DNA which codes for a protein -- usually cause a malfunction or disease and is lost due to selection in succeeding generations.

How does the above paragraph prove
(a) this mutation began 3300 years ago
(b) it began in Asia
(c) Aaron was the first to have it.

So we understand that the basis of this claim is a mutation that some members of the population share.
It does not matter what the process was they got it.
We accept the fact that some people do have this mutation, some do not

Now show us how having this mutation means it came from some ancient dead man who's body does not exist to be tested.

Remember this quote: jgm00027-Skorecki-DNA-Assertion "Mutations occur within genes -- a part of the DNA which codes for a protein -- usually cause a malfunction or disease". Yes diseases are also caused by genetic mutations, so later we will look at all the 'Jew' diseases and use the same logic.. We all share this genetic mutation so we got it from a famous Israelite, who got God gave Israelites this deadly diseases for a marker. (This is their logic.. some of us share it, so it came from God)

jgm00028-Skorecki-DNA-Assertion

2008-11-21T15:42:00.000-08:00

However, mutations found in so-called "non-coding regions" of the DNA tend to persist.

How does the above paragraph prove
(a) this mutation began 3300 years ago
(b) it began in Asia
(c) Aaron was the first to have it.

This has nothing to do with any 'evidence' connecting modern white European 'Jews' with ancient dead Asians and Africans.

jgm00029-Skorecki-DNA-Assertion

2008-11-21T15:38:00.001-08:00

Since the Y chromosome consists almost entirely of non-coding DNA (except for the genes determining maleness), it would tend to accumulate mutations.

How does the above paragraph prove
(a) this mutation began 3300 years ago
(b) it began in Asia
(c) Aaron was the first to have it.

#1 What do they mean accumulate mutations

#1a Acquire more of the same type mutation

#1b Acquire different types of mutations

This is abstract explain ...

jgm00030-Skorecki-DNA-Assertion

2008-11-21T15:33:00.001-08:00

Since it is passed from father to son without recombination, the genetic information on a Y chromosome of a man living today is basically the same as that of his ancient male ancestors, except for the rare mutations that occur along the hereditary line.

How does the above paragraph prove
(a) this mutation began 3300 years ago
(b) it began in Asia
(c) Aaron was the first to have it.

#1 If it always passes from father to son, then EVERY grandfather, father, son and brother would have it.

#2 If EVERY grandfather, father, son and brother does not share it then (a) this is a false statement or (b) those who do not share it are bastards.

#3 If a man living today has the same DNA as that of his ancient male ancestors and the account of Noah is a fact, then ALL males on the entire earth would have the SAME mutation.

#4 If these mutations occur at random, then there is no possible way to know when it first occurred or in what part of the world.

* Sex with animals, a particular food, getting sick, being near certain chemicals..
#5 Unless the cause of the mutation can be established, the assertion any one knows the origin would be from ignorance or blatant lies.

#6 Because the Levites married women of other tribes.. because the Levites produced children with NON Israelites, because the actual priest could not prove their heritage 2,500 years ago in the book of Ezra, because none of these people calling themselves Cohen have a any facts identifying their ancestors 3000 years ago, the only factor that make any of them Cohen, is the nth degree gossip they received from their grandmas.

#7 No one can state they have the SAME genetics with an ancient male ancestor unless they have the DNA of that ancient ancestor to compare it with.. and provide the evidence it was their ancestor.

jgm00031-Skorecki-DNA-Assertion

2008-11-21T15:22:00.001-08:00

A combination of these neutral mutations, known as a haplotype, can serve as a genetic signature of a man's male ancestry.

How does the above paragraph prove
(a) this mutation began 3300 years ago
(b) it began in Asia
(c) Aaron was the first to have it.

haplotype ... big word

No it is not a signature, which is placed by design

It IS a neutral mutation

A mutation is a random event.

This mutation can NOT link any one to any ancestors IF there is no DNA of the suspect ancestors to compare it with !

jgm00032-Skorecki-DNA-Assertion

2008-11-21T15:10:00.001-08:00

Maternal genealogies are also being studied by means of the m-DNA (mitrocondrial DNA), which is inherited only from the mother.

How does the above paragraph prove
(a) this mutation began 3300 years ago
(b) it began in Asia
(c) Aaron was the first to have it.

It may be impressive to use fancy but mitrocondrial DNA has NOTHING to do with the claims of the 'Cohen DNA' Just some fluff to pad their story book. If they use enough big words, fancy titles some lemmings will be convinced by the virtue of titles.

The assertion of this whole bag of BS is based ONLY on male DNA. They just added the moot information about the female DNA to pad their fairy tale.

jgm00033-Skorecki-DNA-Assertion

2008-11-21T15:07:00.000-08:00

THE SEARCH BEGINS
Dr* Skorecki made contact with Professor Michael Hammer, of the University of Arizona, a leading researcher in molecular genetics and a pioneer in Y chromosome research.

How does the above paragraph prove
(a) this mutation began 3300 years ago
(b) it began in Asia
(c) Aaron was the first to have it.

Whew.. lots of big titles and any junior high kid could do the exact same thing after a few days training.

It does not matter if they have a 50 year degree, the question of what do they need to do this test (a) put a swab in some one's mouth (b) chop up the swab in little pieces (c) place it in machines which process and produce the data (d) then use the same kind of math taught in junior high to figure percentages.

A 5th grader could do this task after a couple days training. Dropping the names of universities and titles of Dr. Bullwinkel only serve to impress gullible people who believe some thing is factual by the virtue of titles.

jgm00034-Skorecki-DNA-Assertion

2008-11-21T15:01:00.001-08:00

Professor Hammer uses DNA analysis to study the history of populations, their origins and migrations.

How does the above paragraph prove
(a) this mutation began 3300 years ago
(b) it began in Asia
(c) Aaron was the first to have it.

"DNA analysis" fancy name for playing Go Fish .. the match game

* Get some one to swab some one's mouth, stick it in a jar

* Put it in a machine at a lab

* A computer then creates a graph in which one looks at a place on that graph and finds out if that part of the graph is the same as someone else's graph

GO FISH.. see if there is a match

In fact it is possible to create a graph when the human eye does not even need to look at the graphs

OCR, optical character recognition

There is no math involved other than percentages and chances are the computer does that. I have played with equation solvers and I can solve problems I can not even understand.. and this 'science' is junior high stuff.

DNA analysis.. sure sounds impressive. Any one who figures their own taxes is involved in more complex problems than this kid stuff. Just more fluff

jgm00035-Skorecki-DNA-Assertion

2008-11-21T14:51:00.001-08:00

His previous research included work on the origins of the Native American Indians and the development of the Japanese people.

How does the above paragraph prove
(a) this mutation began 3300 years ago
(b) it began in Asia
(c) Aaron was the first to have it.

His previous work on people across the ocean from the bible lands has NOTHING to do with proving these white Europeans are descendants of Aaron

jgm00036-Skorecki-DNA-Assertion

2008-11-21T14:47:00.001-08:00

A study was undertaken to test the hypothesis.

How does the above paragraph prove
(a) this mutation began 3300 years ago
(b) it began in Asia
(c) Aaron was the first to have it.

"The study" IS NOTHING BUT comparing people in a single religious sect and comparing modern people with modern people.

It is nothing more than the percentage game in which they do not compare it with people outside their group nor do they compare the mutation with people 500 years ago, let alone 300 years ago.

jgm00037-Skorecki-DNA-Assertion

2008-11-21T12:14:00.000-08:00

If there were a common ancestor, the Cohanim should have common genetic markers at a higher frequency than the general Jewish population.

How does the above paragraph prove
(a) this mutation began 3300 years ago
(b) it began in Asia
(c) Aaron was the first to have it.

* If the Levites ONLY produced children with their own tribe.. could the mutation be exclusive to them.

Exodus 6:23 And Aaron took him Elisheba, daughter of Amminadab (Tribe of Judah) (Exodus 6:23) son of Ram, of the tribe of Judah .. All descendants of Aaron ALSO are descendants of Judah !

2 Chronicles 22:11 ... Jehoshabeath, the daughter of king Jehoram, the wife of Jehoiada the priest

Ezra 2:61 And of the children of the priests: the children of Habaiah, the children of Koz, the children of Barzillai; which took a wife of the daughters of Barzillai the Gileadite

Ezra 9:1 .. the priests, and the Levites, have not separated themselves from the people of the lands, doing according to their abominations, even of the Canaanites, the Hittites, the Perizzites, the Jebusites, the Ammonites, the Moabites, the Egyptians, and the Amorites.

The priest not only married between other tribes, the priest married women of every Asia people they encountered.

Finding the same mutation in modern populations of men does not connect them to any thing but members of modern populations ! They might be carrying a common mutation they got from a Russian goat herder. There is NO way to indicate who or where it originated, no matter how many share it... NO different than the amount of aids does not indicate who or where it started from.

jgm00038-Skorecki-DNA-Assertion

2008-11-21T11:46:00.001-08:00

In the first study, as reported in the prestigious British science journal, Nature (January 2, 1997), 188 Jewish males were asked to contribute some cheek cells from which their DNA was extracted for study.

Instead of dropping the titles of organizations that made this study, simply find any of the authors and ask them what in their study proves

(a) this mutation began 3300 years ago
(b) it began in Asia
(c) Aaron was the first to have it.

This 'prestigious' study amounted to nothing other than taking samples with a swab, having a machine check for a particular marker. The result of the test was YES this subject has the mutation or NO this subject does not have that mutation.. and the final step, junior high percentages to see what % had the mutation.

NOTE NONE of these prestigious.. universities, organizations, Dr, Professors EVER produce the test results that prove

(a) this mutation began 3300 years ago
(b) it began in Asia
(c) Aaron was the first to have it.

Their studies are fluff, nothing to do with tying modern men with ancient people of any land.

jgm00039-Skorecki-DNA-Assertion

2008-11-21T11:38:00.001-08:00

Participants from Israel, England and North America were asked to identify whether they were a Cohen, Levi or Israelite, and to identify their family background.

How does the above paragraph prove
(a) this mutation began 3300 years ago
(b) it began in Asia
(c) Aaron was the first to have it.

Of course people all over the world share diseases and non harmful mutations with people all over the world. Any thing that can be passed by sex will be spread through out the earth with the modern transportation of ships, cars and planes.
AIDS is a prime example of how genetic mutations can be spread through out the earthin just a few generations.

These wabbis are not playing with a full deck. They are not doing blind studies, they are not taking samples from a population where 'Jews' live, placing coded numbers on the samples and determining who the donors of each sample was.
Of course 'Jews' like all other people have had sex with women outside their religon.
If they were doing a blind test they would also be finding the mutation in people other than those calling themselves Jews.
This is nothing close to a blind test, it is people calling themselves Jews submitting their DNA.

The idea of these cult members claiming they are descendants of the Israelites is laughable. Today I see the thousands of web pages of people planning to convert to 'Judaism'. After they complete it they will call themselves Jews and in the next generation, their children will be brainwashed, calling themselves descendants of the Israelites.

The only way "Jews" could identify their heredity would be hearsay accounts through grandma. There is no way to trace any one's family tree 3,000 years back, but there are mountains of marriage and birth records through out Europe and those records tie European Jews to other European families, such as their Nazi relatives.

Tracking family trees is laughable .. this enrages the people who are bilking people who think they can trace their family trees http://encyclopediaegypt.com/israel/f1000.htm

Poor little 'Jewish' victims of the Nazis were nothing but their European relatives. Date Line NBC program on 'Jews in Hitler's Nazi Army' ... Jew Nazi soldiers, Jew Nazi officers, the skeletons they hide in their closets.
http://encyclopediaegypt.com/israel/f3000.htm
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The book and author on the Date Line NBC program on 'Jews in Hitler's Nazi Army' .
http://encyclopediaegypt.com/israel/f3000b.htm

jgm00040-Skorecki-DNA-Assertion

2008-11-21T11:33:00.001-08:00

The results of the analysis of the Y chromosome markers of the Cohanim and non-Cohanim were indeed significant.

How does the above paragraph prove
(a) this mutation began 3300 years ago
(b) it began in Asia
(c) Aaron was the first to have it.

Significant.. a word to excite people? NO factual basis, the results only prove SOME modern men share a common mutation with SOME other modern men.

The science is swabbing the mouth, placing samples in machines hooked to computers which generate numbers and the total educated need, is to figure junior high percentages.

Nothing in this line connecting any one to any ancient people any where on earth.

jgm00041-Skorecki-DNA-Assertion

2008-11-21T11:27:00.001-08:00

A particular marker, (YAP-) was detected in 98.

How does the above paragraph prove
(a) this mutation began 3300 years ago
(b) it began in Asia
(c) Aaron was the first to have it.

Unless 'Jews' are exhuming the bodies of the dead (Against 'Jewish laws') then there would be no way to know who had it (YAP) in the past or where it came from.

This test is not connecting anyone to the ancient Israelites, it is not even connecting any one who lived before 1900. The test only compares modern men with other modern men.

jgm00042-Skorecki-DNA-Assertion

2008-11-21T11:24:00.001-08:00

After 188 males were asked if they were Cohen, Levites or Israelites from several world locations...

The results of the analysis of the Y chromosome markers of the Cohanim and non-Cohanim were indeed significant. A particular marker, (YAP-) was detected in 98.5 percent of the Cohanim, and in a significantly lower percentage of non-Cohanim

How does the above paragraph prove
(a) this mutation began 3300 years ago
(b) it began in Asia
(c) Aaron was the first to have it.

1) A particular marker.. HOW MANY 'particular markers" are there.

2) If the self professing Cohen had 98.5 % of this mutation, then what is the rest of the 'Cohen' would not have it.

3) Instead of giving an actual they write 'a significantly lower percent of non-Cohen have it" .. how many is a "'significantly lower percent"

4) If ANY non Cohen's have this marker, what would that say about the marker being exclusive to 'Cohen' ?

5) The Cohen.. descendants of Aaron were less than 1/700,000th of the male population, of Israelites so if they kept to themselves.. you would have to test 700,000 to find one person with this mutation.

jgm00043-Skorecki-DNA-Assertion

2008-11-21T11:03:00.001-08:00

FURTHER CONFIRMATION
In a second study, Dr* Skorecki and associates gathered more DNA samples and expanded their selection of Y chromosome markers.

How does the above paragraph prove
(a) this mutation began 3300 years ago
(b) it began in Asia
(c) Aaron was the first to have it.

It does not matter how many samples they gather, it is what the samples reveal

* A certain % of those who call themselves Jews and

* With in that set, there are subsets of those who call themselves Cohen

* With in that subset, a % of them share a common DNA mutation

* Which connects them to modern day men with the same mutation.. End of Story

jgm00044-Skorecki-DNA-Assertion

2008-11-21T10:48:00.002-08:00

In a second study, Dr* Skorecki and associates gathered more DNA samples and expanded their selection of Y chromosome markers.

Solidifying their hypothesis of the Cohens' common ancestor, they found that a particular array of six chromosomal markers was found in 97 of the 106 Cohens tested.

How does the above paragraph prove
(a) this mutation began 3300 years ago
(b) it began in Asia
(c) Aaron was the first to have it.

Did this guy write SIX chrosomal markers.. not ONE, but SIX ???

#1 Do ALL of these subjects have ALL SIX of the same markers.

#2 Do these subjects only have one of the SIX mutations

#3 Do these subjects have DIFFERENT MUTATIONS

#4 If these subjects do not all have the same Mutation(s) than how are tied together with any others that do not share the same mutation(s)?

#5 If 106 were tested or 1,006 were tested, what % of those who call themselves Cohen have been tested?

#6 106-97 = 9. What is the ramification of the 9 who profess to be Cohen who do not have this mutation?

#7 If you are only comparing the DNA or modern men with modern men ( Solidifying their hypothesis of the Cohens' common ancestor ) ..How does a survey of modern men prove any thing about people 3000 years ago when you have no evidence those dead men ever had this mutation?

jgm00045-Skorecki-DNA-Assertion

2008-11-21T10:48:00.000-08:00

This collection of markers has come to be known as the Cohen Modal Hapoltype (CMH) -- the standard genetic signature of the Jewish priestly family.

How does the above paragraph prove
(a) this mutation began 3300 years ago
(b) it began in Asia
(c) Aaron was the first to have it.

#1 Note they keep on saying "marker(S)" instead of marker (singular). If this mutation was supposed to have came from one man "Aaron" did he have multiple mutations of just one?

#2 Are they saying these "Cohen" all share the same marker or are there a combination of DIFFERENT MARKERS THEY HAVE?

No this mutation did not "come to be known as the Cohen Modal Hapoltype, it was specifically given this name by some 'Jew'. It is like some one who is the first to identify a new butterfly, fish or star, they get to name it.

The 'Jew' who gave this mutation this name gave it a leading title ... "Cohen Modal Hapoltype" so every time some one finds it, it leads them to think it is proof they are a Cohen.

It is no different than if the author called the Goat Intercourse Hapoltype.

When it was said they share the Goat Intercourse Hapoltype, it would be suggestive that they came from an ancestor who had sex with a goat.

jgm00046-Skorecki-DNA-Assertion

2008-11-21T10:47:00.000-08:00

This collection of markers has come to be known as the Cohen Modal Hapoltype (CMH) -- the standard genetic signature of the Jewish priestly family.

The chances of these findings happening at random is greater than one in 10,000.

How does the above paragraph prove
(a) this mutation began 3300 years ago
(b) it began in Asia
(c) Aaron was the first to have it.

When they are not looking outside their own little groupies, the chance they will find it elsewhere is zero.

If this mutation is supposed to have came from Aaron, when the males were counted (including those under 20) there would have been over 700,000 male Israelites and Aaron was only one.

If this mutation is supposed to have came from Aaron, then only 1/700,000 th of all Israelites would have this mutation.

jgm00047-Skorecki-DNA-Assertion

2008-11-21T10:44:00.000-08:00

The finding of a common set of genetic markers in both Ashkenazi and Sephardi Cohanim worldwide clearly indicates an origin pre-dating the separate development of the two communities around 1000 CE.

How does the above paragraph prove
(a) this mutation began 3300 years ago
(b) it began in Asia
(c) Aaron was the first to have it.

CE = Christian Era because they deny Christ they use CE or BCE instead of BC or AD

"Ashkenazi and Sephardi" Here they are talking about

Western Europeans and people in Spain who call themselves Jews.

The assertion is because they share the mutation it existed around 1000 AD

This mutation is passed by sex, no different except it takes 9 months for the results of the sex to appear.

Like AIDS it is passed through sex at the time of intercourse. Unlike pregnancy it might take years for any one to know the results instead of 9 months later.

AIDS like this 'cohen' trait is a mutation. The only difference in a mutation and a disease is that the disease is harmful. Mutilations are organisms that never existed in the past.

The first known cases of AIDS http://www.avert.org/his81_86.htm

Available data suggest that the current pandemic started in the mid- to late 1970s. By 1980, HIV had spread to at least five continents (North America, South America, Europe, Africa and Australia). During this period of silence, spread was unchecked by awareness or any preventive action and approximately 100,000-300,000 persons may have been infected.

With in a couple decades a new mutation spread to hundreds of thousands and then millions.

While this 'mutation' and AIDS are different living organisms, they are passed in exactly the same method.

The question is NOT what the organism that is passed through sex but the question is

When any organism is passed through sex, how long would it take for the exponential spreading into hundreds of thousands.. millions.. and the answer is:

In less than 50 years a brand new mutation began with one person and spread into millions.

In ancient times many people never left an area of 20 miles of their homes. In modern times there are trains, cars, ships and planes where physical mutations or diseases are scattered through out the earth in a flash.

They also tell us the Lemba's have this mutation.. that is in South Africa. When the Europeans first entered into South Africa these natives were naked, doing their business in the weeds and living in stick huts with no Torahs, they spoke no 'Hebrews' .. and they would have you believe these Negroes are also descendants of the Levite Priests?

The assertion that Western Europeans and Spaniards sharing the same mutation proves it existed in the same communities over 1000 years ago, could only be conceived by the ignorant.

Spain is on the same land mass as the rest of Europe and there has been transportation, trading and interaction between them for centuries.

Of course Spain could have been infested with this mutation, less than 50 years ago.

jgm00048-Skorecki-DNA-Assertion

2008-11-21T10:05:00.000-08:00

FINALLY HERE WE GO

Date calculation based on the variation of the mutations among Cohanim today yields a time frame of 106 generations from the ancestral founder of the line, some 3,300 years -- the approximate time of the Exodus from Egypt, the lifetime of Aaron HaCohen.

How does the above paragraph prove
(a) this mutation began 3300 years ago ... This is one line that DOES address their assertions.. finally !!!
(b) it began in Asia
(c) Aaron was the first to have it.

HERE WE GO

DATE CALCULATIONS

BASED ON THE VARIATIONS OF MUTATIONS AMONG TODAY'S COHANIM

YIELDS A TIME FRAME OF 106 GENERATIONS

3,300 YEARS

If 'Jews' do not create another false abuse claim that "this is not a question", then any thing any of them will write should be there.

The question I posted is pasted below in case they do get it deleted

Judaism - Cohen Modal Hapoltype (CMH) <> Y chromosome?

Cohen Modal Hapoltype (CMH) <> Y chromosome

Does any one have the figures used to make the date calculations
that this particular DNA mutation can be tracked 3,300 yeas?

DNA PROOF that Jews are descendants of the
Israelites?
http://www.aish.com/societywork/sciencen...
Here is a web page that states there is evidence
that Jews are descendants of the Israelites

On this page is the very same words, except it has
been given reference to find quotes quickly
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/EncEg...

Moving down to this line

#00048 ====================
Date calculation based on the variation of the
mutations among Cohanim today yields a time frame
of 106 generations from the ancestral founder of
the line, some 3,300 years -- the approximate time
of the Exodus from Egypt, the lifetime of Aaron
HaCohen

DATE CALCULATIONS
BASED ON THE VARIATIONS OF MUTATIONS AMONG TODAY'S
COHANIM
YIELDS A TIME FRAME OF 106 GENERATIONS
3,300 YEARS

Would any one like to show us
a) What figures they are using
b) Where they get those figures and
c) Show us the math calculations they used to
arrive at these numbers
>>>>> 106 generations <> 3,300 years

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Note they are selling thousands of books to 'Jews' who believe these assertions DNA ties 'Jews' to Aaron

I posted this question to Yahoo Answers

I got one reply

Reply #1

Contact Bennett Greenspan at FamilyTreeDna. Bennett can give you all the information you need on this.
He can also put you in touch with Michael Hammer, one of the Geneticists on their staff who was involved in writing the very first paper on the Cohen Gene.

"Mike Hammer is FTDNA's Chief Scientist, and member of the Scientific Advisory Board.

A Biotechnology Research Scientist at the University of Arizona with appointments in the Department of Anthropology and the Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology, as well as Director of the Genomic Analysis and Technology Core facility, Dr. Hammer received his PhD in Genetics from the University of California at Berkeley and was a post-doctoral fellow at Princeton and Harvard Universities. He co-authored the first paper showing that present-day Cohanim are descended from a single male ancestor."
http://www.familytreedna.com/about.html

I Went to that site and they have nothing but a Texas number and faqs that do not answer the question where they were selling DNA test

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Not one 'Jew' could produce an answer

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While the question fit all requirements to be posted the censors had the question removed so others would not discover that no 'Jew' could show the way they arrived at 3,300 years

I posted the question in Yahoo Answers. With in hours the censors had the post deleted and below is the Yahoo information of deletion.

Judaism - Cohen Modal Hapoltype (CMH) <> Y chromosome?
In Religion & Spirituality - Asked by israel_identity - 1 answer - 15 hours ago
- (Question has been removed)
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'Jew' publishing "Date calculation based on the variation of the mutations among Cohanim today yields a time frame of 106 generations from the ancestral founder of the line, some 3,300 years.
BUT
Not one 'Jew' can take the numbers
a) The % of Cohen tested proves the mutation has existed for 106 generations
* 70% of the Cohen tested proves the mutation has existed for 106 generations
* 90% of the Cohen tested proves the mutation has existed for 106 generations

We are told how smart 'Jews' are and yet there is no 'Jew' who can show the mathametical process in which
A percent of part of the population, proves how many generations the mutation existed.

The articles are about 4 pages long, the book ... 204 pages

While the text may include pages of chit chat and facts about things that can be proven,
THE ONLY POINTS TO MAKE THE 'JEW' CASE
ARE
* HOW LONG AGO THE MUTATION EXISTED
* WHERE IT ORIGINATED
* WHO HAD IT FIRST

'Jew' publishing "Date calculation based on the variation of the mutations among Cohanim today yields a time frame of 106 generations from the ancestral founder ...

OK, Show us the figures and math process you used to arrive at 106 generations.

jgm00049-Skorecki-DNA-Assertion

2008-11-20T14:15:00.001-08:00

Professor Hammer was recently in Israel for the Jewish Genome Conference.

How does the above paragraph prove
(a) this mutation began 3300 years ago
(b) it began in Asia
(c) Aaron was the first to have it.

Jewish.. European descendants

Genome.. the trait of one gene extracted by a computer

Conference.. this is ok

The title professor has no merit in the junior high education needed to come up with his story.

Any 5th grader could be trained to take the samples and place them in the machines which extract the dna while the computers print the numbers.

Any school kid who understands how to do percentages is qualified to do the math used by this 'professor'

Just a line of fluff that is evidence of nothing.

jgm00050-Skorecki-DNA-Assertion

2008-11-20T14:05:00.000-08:00

He (Hammar) confirmed that his findings are consistent -- over 80 percent of self-identified Cohanim have a common set of markers.

How does the above paragraph prove
(a) this mutation began 3300 years ago
(b) it began in Asia
(c) Aaron was the first to have it.

Above he says 80% and below they write

For more than 90 percent of the Cohens to share the same genetic markers

What are the ramifications of this statement

* Self identified Cohainm? Explain how they would identify themselves as Cohainm other than the hearsay information repeated by grandma?

* Do these Europeans think they can track their family trees for 3000 years ? If so they must be idiots what you need to know about family trees http://encyclopediaegypt.com/israel/f1000.htm

* Over 80% of the ->SELF IDENTIFIED<- Cohanim have a common set of markers.

a) Is it a single mutation or is it different mutations

NOW WHAT

* If this mutation came from Aaron and it is always passed from father to son

+ It would be the same marker

* If 80% of those who called themselves cohanim had it, that means 20% do not

+ That means 20% of those calling themselves cohanim are liars/brainwashed or idiots or

+ That means 20% of cohanim wives are harlots.

jgm00051-Skorecki-DNA-Assertion

2008-11-20T10:21:00.001-08:00

The finding that less than one-third of the non- Cohen Jews who were tested possess these markers is not surprising to the geneticists.

How does the above paragraph prove
(a) this mutation began 3300 years ago
(b) it began in Asia
(c) Aaron was the first to have it.

The set and subset.. Set = all 'Jews' <> Subset 'Cohen'

If this mutation is supposed to have came from Aaron.. When the Israelites were counted there were 22,000 Levites

Numbers 1:46 Even all they that were numbered were six hundred thousand and three thousand and five hundred and fifty (those over 20 years old from the other 11 tribes)

Using a very conservative figure for the males under 20 years, adding the males over 20 and the Levites, there would have been well over 700,000 male Israelites at the time of Aaron.

'Jew' wrote "less than one-third of the non- Cohen Jews"

If a "Cohen" is a descendant of Aaron, then only 1/700,000th of all Israelites would contain this mutation.

jgm00052-Skorecki-DNA-Assertion

2008-11-20T10:09:00.001-08:00

Jewishness is not defined genetically.

How does the above paragraph prove
(a) this mutation began 3300 years ago
(b) it began in Asia
(c) Aaron was the first to have it.

There is no such thing as a Jew in the scriptures. Jew is a European word which come from 8 words of the scriptures. The problem is those words have multiple meanings and none of them identify the set (12 tribes of Israel)

Make note how they do not call themselves Israelites, but they use the word Jew. Jews like being a Mouseketeer is nothing other than a matter of joining the club. Becoming a Jew was not a matter of heredity but a political statement. It was not a religious conversion but many NON Israelites.. Persians became Jews out of terror like many Germans became Nazis out of fear.

Esther 8:17 And in every province... And many of the people of the land became Jews; for the fear of the Jews fell upon them.

Of course being a 'Jew' is not defined genetically, even an Eskimo can be a 'Jew' BUT being an Israelite can be defined genetically. Every Israelite of the bible can be traced to coming from the Asian/African tribes that they encountered.

The Israelites were not a unique race, not a unique people, they were a composite of Chaldeans (ancient Iraqis), Canaanites, Syrians, Hittites, Havites, Moabites, Midianites, Philistines, Egyptians ... and by the physical remains of the people who existed in the middle east in the time line of the scriptures they were composed of two races.. Asians and Africans.. These are races which exclude the race of white Europeans.

All Israelites were descendants of Egyptians as well as multiple other black Asian/African races. Israelites can be defined genetically, any 'Jew' <> 'Cohen' that does not have Asian/African ancestors in their genes could not possibly be descendants of the Israelites, and yes there is actual science to make this test http://encyclopediaegypt.com/israel/a-race.htm/

jgm00053-Skorecki-DNA-Assertion

2008-11-20T09:52:00.001-08:00

Other Y-chromosomes can enter the Jewish gene pool through conversion or through a non-Jewish father.

How does the above paragraph prove
(a) this mutation began 3300 years ago
(b) it began in Asia
(c) Aaron was the first to have it.

NONE of these Europeans have a shred of evidence they are 'Jewish' by heredity to the Israelites.

There are mountains of marriage and birth records to prove they have been mingling with.. and came from other Europeans as long as historic records are found.

A Catholic mother with 8 children lost her husband. She flipped out and 'converted to Judaism".. now papers have information that great grandma was a 'Jew'. A few generations later the grandchildren find out grandma was a 'Jew' and now they think they are 'Jewish' and they are the descendants of the Israelites.. that is the way it works.

If you think any of these fair skin Europeans calling themselves Jews are the physical descendants of the Israelites, check out anthropology sources or methods the FBI uses to identify where the ancestors of the dead came from.

http://encyclopediaegypt.com/israel/eg-blond.htm and http://encyclopediaegypt.com/e-race.htm While these white European descendants could not possibly be descendants of the Asian/African races that existed in the time line of the scriptures, they have been proven to be descendants of other Europeans such as the Nazis

Poor little 'Jewish' victims of the Nazis were nothing but their European relatives. Date Line NBC program on 'Jews in Hitler's Nazi Army' ... Jew Nazi soldiers, Jew Nazi officers, the skeletons they hide in their closets.
http://encyclopediaegypt.com/israel/f3000.htm
*****************************
The book and author on the Date Line NBC program on 'Jews in Hitler's Nazi Army' .
http://encyclopediaegypt.com/israel/f3000b.htm

Simply look at the number of 'Conversions' today and figure how many of their descendants will exist in the population of those who call themselves Jews.

jgm00054-Skorecki-DNA-Assertion

2008-11-20T09:37:00.001-08:00

Jewish status is determined by the mother.

How does the above paragraph prove
(a) this mutation began 3300 years ago
(b) it began in Asia
(c) Aaron was the first to have it.

Of course this statement is more unrelated fluff and the concept of any one being "Jewish" by mother is a mythical hoax easy to debunk.

Jewish by mother, then no such thing as a Jews could not exist
http://encyclopediaegypt.com/israel/f1100.htm

jgm00055-Skorecki-DNA-Assertion

2008-11-20T09:30:00.000-08:00

.
Tribe membership follows the father's line.

How does the above paragraph prove
(a) this mutation began 3300 years ago
(b) it began in Asia

(c) Aaron was the first to have it.

TRIBE FLUFF

Read if you like but it is fluff that has nothing to do with their claims

Tribe membership follows the father's line? Is this some information written in the scriptures (show us) or is this more information injected by 'Jews'

Tribe: Romanized shebet, Pronounced shay'-bet. From an unused root probably meaning to branch off; a scion, i.e. (literally) a stick (for punishing, writing, fighting, ruling, walking, etc.) or (figuratively) a clan:

A tribe in any context I can find is any group of people under the political power of the descendants of one of the 12 sons. These tribes were also broken down into sub-tribes. The tribes were given specific land areas.

GENESIS 049:028` All these are the twelve tribes of Israel
NUMBERS 00:1004`... there shall be a man of every tribe; every one head of the house of his fathers.
NUMBERS 026:055` ... the land shall be divided.. according to the names of the tribes their fathers they shall inherit.
NUMBERS 034:018` And you shall take one prince of every tribe, to divide the land by inheritance.
NUMBERS 036:003` If women of other tribes be married to any of the sons of the other tribes of the children of Israel, then shall their inheritance be taken from the inheritance of our fathers, and shall be put to the inheritance of the tribe whereunto they are received:

Here it appears that one tribe would lose a portion of their land to another when one of their daughters married outside their own tribe?
Then... a little confusing

NUMBERS 036:007` So shall not the inheritance of the children of Israel remove from tribe to tribe: for every one of the children of Israel shall keep himself to the inheritance of the tribe of his fathers.
NUMBERS 036:008` And every daughter, that possesseth an inheritance in any tribe of .- the children of Israel, shall be wife to one of the family of the tribe of her father, that the children of Israel may enjoy every man the inheritance of his fathers.
NUMBERS 036:009` Neither shall the inheritance remove from one tribe to another tribe; but every one of the tribes of the children of Israel shall keep himself to his own inheritance.

DEUTERONOMY 018001` The priests the Levites, and all the tribe of Levi, shall have no part nor inheritance with Israel:

I could go on, but what a 'tribe' is, is nothing but more fluff that has nothing to do with their claims...
The tribal structure cease to exist when the kingdom was divided

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Judaism-Laws/message/763

zendz

jgm00056-Skorecki-DNA-Assertion

2008-11-20T08:59:00.000-08:00

AMAZING STATISTICS
Calculations based on the high rate of genetic similarity of today's Cohanim resulted in the highest "paternity-certainty" rate ever recorded in population genetics studies -- a scientific testimony to family faithfulness.

How does the above paragraph prove
(a) this mutation began 3300 years ago
(b) it began in Asia
(c) Aaron was the first to have it.

a) This would not be evidence for all 'Jews' only for the group you call Cohanim.

b) This would not be evidence of faithfulness of males, only females.

c) If '90%" of the sons of all Cohanim have this mutation and it is 'always' passed from father to son, that means that 10% of the Cohanim wives are whores.

Leviticus 21:1. And the Lord said unto Moses.. speak to the priest.. 7. They shall not take a wife that is a whore, or profane; neither shall they take a woman put away from her husband.... 9. And the daughter of any priest, if she profane herself by playing the whore, she profaneth her father: she shall be burnt with fire.

If '10%' of the 'Cohen's wives produce sons with out this mutation, they have been in the sack with other men, so where are the 'Jews' burning these harlots?

jgm00057-Skorecki-DNA-Assertion

2008-11-20T08:32:00.000-08:00

Stated Dr* David Goldstein of Oxford University: "For more than 90 percent of the Cohens to share the same genetic markers after such a period of time is a testament to the devotion of the wives of the Cohens over the years.

How does the above paragraph prove
(a) this mutation began 3300 years ago
(b) it began in Asia
(c) Aaron was the first to have it.

There is no evidence that 90% of the "Cohen" did any thing, if a Cohen is a descendant of Aaron. The only evidence is of the modern population tested, this % of those breeding each other carry this mutation. They did not test all on earth who call themselves Cohen and there is no evidence when the mutation took place or if it came from an old Russian sheep herder.. this is only a test of limited selected groups (which mingle in it's own circle) comparing themselves with their own group.

No different than the Amish who carry the same mutation in some segments of their population and not others.. when the ancestors of these Amish came from the same ancestors.. Europeans.

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"Stated Dr* David Goldstein of Oxford University: " What matters if the guy is a "Dr." or a trash collector. What makes the difference if he is at a university or an outhouse.

His conclusions are based on nothing other than percentages which any junior high kid could figure. 83 kids wore tennis shoes, 18 did not. What % could not go on the basket ball court because they did not have tennis shoes? If you can figure this out, you have the same knowledge this guy needed to make this statement. Why all the title dropping, all the university naming.. to impress gullible people with fluff.

jgm00058-Skorecki-DNA-Assertion

2008-11-20T08:14:00.000-08:00

"For more than 90 percent of the Cohens to share the same genetic markers after such a period of time is a testament to the devotion of the wives of the Cohens over the years. Even a low rate of infidelity would have dramatically lowered the percentage."

How does the above paragraph prove
(a) this mutation began 3300 years ago
(b) it began in Asia
(c) Aaron was the first to have it.

This is no proof of virtue or infidelity. This is nothing but evidence of a modern day population and what group they have been in bed with. This percentage = a percentage of modern populations and this sampling has excluded all people in all locations of the world outside this canned 'test'

It is quite humorous how they tell us this proves the virtue of women when 'the mutation is always passed from male to male' . Perhaps they would explain what they need all of the legal prostitution for in 'Israel' or explain the scriptures in which Levites.. all Israelites married between tribes.. in which case.. all Israelites, not just Levites would have this magic mutation.

Ezra 9:1. Now when these things were done, the princes came to me, saying, The people of Israel, and the priests, and the Levites, have not separated themselves from the people of the lands, doing according to their abominations, even of the Canaanites, the Hittites, the Perizzites, the Jebusites, the Ammonites, the Moabites, the Egyptians, and the Amorites.

Ezra 9:2. For they have taken of their daughters for themselves, and for their sons: so that the holy seed have mingled themselves with the people of those lands

Looks like they might want to look at the virtue of the priest.. because the males 'always' pass the mutation to the son.. and they did just .. pass the seed of the priest into all the Asian/African tribes they encountered, then sent their children into all of those tribes to continue spreading their seed for centuries..

Ezra 10: 3. Now therefore let us make a covenant with our God to put away all the wives, and such as are born of them ... there goes the seed (magic mutation of the priest) into the Hittites, the Perizzites, the Jebusites, the Ammonites, the Moabites, the Egyptians, and the Amorites.

Now let's see who these self righteous Israelites came from themselves...

The events in Ezra took place centuries after the Israelites returned from Egypt. Let's see who they came from.

Judges 3:5. And the children of Israel dwelt among the Canaanites, Hittites, and Amorites, and Perizzites, and Hivites, and Jebusites:
Judges 3:6. And they took their daughters to be their wives, and gave their daughters to their sons.

So the Israelites who put away their foreign wives in Ezra were nothing other than descendants of Canaanites, Hittites, and Amorites, and Perizzites, and Hivites, and Jebusites:
When the priest cast their own children out, those children carried the DNA of the priest (magic mutation) and the priest were descendants of those their ancestors had mingled with.. Canaanites, Hittites, and Amorites, and Perizzites, and Hivites, and Jebusites:
Nice lesson on virtue.

jgm00059-Skorecki-DNA-Assertion

2008-11-19T17:53:00.001-08:00

[Science News, October 3, 1998] Wider genetic studies of diverse present day
Jewish communities show a remarkable genetic cohesiveness.

How does the above paragraph prove
(a) this mutation began 3300 years ago
(b) it began in Asia
(c) Aaron was the first to have it.

This is not 'Science News' but some person who wrote this article.

Wider genetic studies follow this same line of logic, compare modern populations with modern populations and that is evidence of something ancient populations had 3000 years ago.

This study does not prove any thing about 'Jewish communities' but only those who have this mutation.

'Jewish communities' are packed full of 'converts', the descendants of 'converts' and families which can be connected to regular old European ancestors who were not 'Jewish'

jgm00060-Skorecki-DNA-Assertion

2008-11-19T17:47:00.001-08:00

Jews from Iran, Iraq, Yemen, North Africa and European Ashkenazim all cluster together with other Semitic groups, with their origin in the Middle East.

How does the above paragraph prove
(a) this mutation began 3300 years ago
(b) it began in Asia
(c) Aaron was the first to have it.

'Jews' can be Eskimos. Those who call themselves Jews are no different than Mouseketeers, all any one has to do is join the club 'conversion'

The Europeans who call themselves 'Jews' are a different race than the unpolluted Asians and Africans which every Israelite came from. Europeans have been bilking the people of Iran, Iraq, Yemen, North Africa for centuries.

There has never been any such thing as a Semitic group, this is another European concoction. According to the scriptures the descendants of Shem produced their families with the descendants of Ham so they could no more be 'Semites' than Hamites.

.. and if a 'Semite' is one who's ancestors came from this area of the earth and the scriptures are true, we are all 'Semites'

This European farce only ties modern populations to modern populations.

jgm00061-Skorecki-DNA-Assertion

2008-11-19T17:40:00.000-08:00

A common geographical original can be seen for all mainstream Jewish groups studied.

How does the above paragraph prove
(a) this mutation began 3300 years ago
(b) it began in Asia
(c) Aaron was the first to have it.

The mass majority of all who call themselves Jews are white Europeans like the rest of us.

In the last 500 years the Europeans have changed the face of the earth population by polluting their gene pools.

We can compare the populations of other lands in isolated areas with their populations in the cities where the Europeans have polluted their gene pool.

There is no place on earth where Europeans have not infested. Vietnam is a classic example of what the photos of Vietnamese looked like before 1950 and what they look like today after the mass invasion of Europeans.

Europeans have been sucking the oil of the middle east and taking the diamonds / minerals from Africa for centuries.

Only in an isolated population where Europeans have never been could you get a clean sample of what the original population was like.

There is A common geographical original of people around the world by all Europeans, because the descendants of Europeans are every where.

jgm00062-Skorecki-DNA-Assertion

2008-11-19T17:28:00.001-08:00

This genetic research has clearly refuted the libel that the Ashkenazi Jews are not related to the ancient Hebrews, but are descendants of the Kuzar tribe -- a pre-10th century Turko-Asian empire which reportedly converted en masse to Judaism.

How does the above paragraph prove
(a) this mutation began 3300 years ago
(b) it began in Asia
(c) Aaron was the first to have it.

'Jew' Writes "This genetic research has clearly refuted the libel that the Ashkenazi Jews are not related to the ancient Hebrews"

Israelites were only a trivial fraction of the Hebrews. (If a Hebrew is a descendant of Abraham, then there was the clan of the Edomites, the Ishmaelites and all the children of Keturah, who were Hebrews but not Israelites)

This guy is not trying to identify Hebrew descendants
This guy is not trying to identify Israelite descendants
This guy is not trying to identify Levite descendants

Cohen ONLY descendants of Aaron by his story here. His assertion is tying the descendants of the 'cohen' through DNA

Tying European religious sect with other modern members of their religions sect is not tying them to the ancient Hebrews, nor the Israelites nor the Levites.

Of course the Turks would have shared DNA traits with the Israelites because the Israelites never ceased to marry or take them as concubines. The mother of Solomon was a Hittite..
1 Kings 11:1 But king Solomon loved many strange women, together with the daughter of Pharaoh, women of the Moabites, Ammonites, Edomites, Zidonians, and Hittites

Ezra 9:1 Now when these things were done, the princes came to me, saying, The people of Israel, and the priests, and the Levites, have not separated themselves from the people of the lands, doing according to their abominations, even of the Canaanites, the Hittites, the Perizzites, the Jebusites, the Ammonites, the Moabites, the Egyptians, and the Amorites.
Ezra 9:2 For they have taken of their daughters for themselves, and for their sons: so that the holy seed have mingled themselves with the people of those lands
Ezra 10:3 Now therefore let us make a covenant with our God to put away all the wives, and such as are born of them,

There goes the seed of the Cohen/Israelites into the land of the Hittites.. Turkey

Is it any wonder these Ashkenazi Jews (Europeans) do not share genetic traits with the Asians in which the Israelites were dispersed?

jgm00063-Skorecki-DNA-Assertion

2008-11-19T17:09:00.000-08:00

Researchers compared the DNA signature of the Ashkenazi Jews against those of Turkish-derived people, and found no correspondence.

How does the above paragraph prove
(a) this mutation began 3300 years ago
(b) it began in Asia
(c) Aaron was the first to have it.

Ashkenazi = Europeans

Too bad, in the scriptures the Hittites were one of the tribes the Israelites produced their tribes with and Turkey was part of the Persian Empire where the actual Israelites were dispersed into.

Of course there was no effort to test hundreds of thousands of Turks. The test is designed to prove member of this sect are connected to each other.

Ezekiel 16:3 And say, Thus saith the Lord God unto Jerusalem; Thy birth and thy nativity is of the land of Canaan; thy father was an Amorite, and thy mother an Hittite.

Is it any wonder these white Europeans are not connected to the Asians who were the ancestors of all Israelites.

jgm00064-Skorecki-DNA-Assertion

2008-11-19T17:01:00.001-08:00

OTHER SURPRISING FINDINGS
In their second published paper in Nature (July 9, 1998) the researchers included an unexpected finding.

How does the above paragraph prove
(a) this mutation began 3300 years ago
(b) it began in Asia
(c) Aaron was the first to have it.

jgm00065-Skorecki-DNA-Assertion

2008-11-19T16:59:00.001-08:00

Those Jews in the study who identified themselves as Levites did not show a common set of markers as did the Cohanim.

How does the above paragraph prove
(a) this mutation began 3300 years ago
(b) it began in Asia
(c) Aaron was the first to have it.

There is no evidence that the 'Jews' in that study are any thing but European descendants. If they lack Asian/African ancestors, they have no connection to any one in those bible accounts.

As for the 'Levites' there is no more evidence that mutation came from Aaron than there is evidence it came from an old Russian sheep herder.

Every thing this guy writes is a leap in logic. He uses adjectives to identify people in which he has nothing but hearsay to use.

If they all came from Jacob/Israel and the mutation is always passed from father to son, they would all have it.

If it came from Aaron... when counted there were 22,000 Levites.. Aaron would have been 1/22,000th of all Levites and only 1 in 22,000 of all Levite descendants would have that mutation.

jgm00066-Skorecki-DNA-Assertion

2008-11-19T16:50:00.001-08:00

The Levites clustered in three groupings, one of them the CMH.

How does the above paragraph prove
(a) this mutation began 3300 years ago
(b) it began in Asia
(c) Aaron was the first to have it.

Numbers 4:37 These were they that were numbered of the families of the Kohathites, all that might do service in the tabernacle of the congregation

Numbers 4:33 This is the service of the families of the sons of Merari, according to all their service, in the tabernacle of the congregation,

The descendants of all of Levi were part of the priest duties. Aaron and sons were the top dudes.

Genesis 46:11 And the sons of Levi; Gershon, Kohath, and Merari. (3 sons)

Numbers 3:39 All that were numbered of the Levites, which Moses and Aaron numbered at the commandment of the Lord, throughout their families, all the males from a month old and upward, were twenty and two thousand.

'Jew' writes "The Levites clustered in three groupings, one of them the CMH"

There were 22,000 male Levites so if Aaron's branch was 1/3 there would have been over 7,000. So if this is the 'grouping' spoken of, there would have been 7+ thousand in that group.

This guy can not produce one ancient Cohen 'CMH', he can only produce modern populations of people who call themselves 'Cohen' .. most of them white Europeans.

jgm00067-Skorecki-DNA-Assertion

2008-11-19T16:31:00.001-08:00

According to tradition, the Levites should also show a genetic signature from a common paternal patrilineal ancestor.

How does the above paragraph prove
(a) this mutation began 3300 years ago
(b) it began in Asia
(c) Aaron was the first to have it.

What is this tradition BS, I thought these people were talking facts, science .. Tradition = mythology / imagination, not facts.

All people on earth have DNA traits of their ancestors. These things are not 'signatures' they are mutations and these mutations only tie modern populations to modern populations. When the Israelites were in Egypt they never ceased to marry/produce children with the Egyptians.

There is no way to trace that mutation to that time, but it could just have easily came from an Egyptian, Philistine or Canaanite.. the Israelites married them all.

Judges 3:5 And the children of Israel dwelt among the Canaanites, Hittites, and Amorites, and Perizzites, and Hivites, and Jebusites

Judges 3:6 And they took their daughters to be their wives, and gave their daughters to their sons

Leviticus 24:10 And the son of an Israelitish woman, whose father was an Egyptian

Of course any Asian/African male could have been the first to spread this mutation. Get a grip, there is no way to connect this mutation to any ancient male.. just wishful thinking.

jgm00068-Skorecki-DNA-Assertion

2008-11-19T16:20:00.001-08:00

The researchers are now focusing effort on the study of Levites' genetic make up to learn more about their history in the Diaspora.

How does the above paragraph prove
(a) this mutation began 3300 years ago
(b) it began in Asia
(c) Aaron was the first to have it.

They do not have a shred of evidence that any of these Europeans are descendants of any Asians/Africans that all Israelites came from (let alone Levites)

If you are only looking for a mutation in one population you will not find it any where else

If you are only looking for a mutation in populations after 1970, you will never be able to compare it with populations before 1970.

Using genetics, anthropology, the science used by law enforcement around the world, NONE of these Europeans that lack Asian/African dna could possibly be descendants of the Israelites.

http://encyclopediaegypt.com/israel/eg-blond.htm & How DNA is now being used to identify the race of an original population of the earth http://encyclopediaegypt.com/e-race.htm

Diaspora: Greek, "a scattering or sowing of seeds

There is NO mystery about the Diaspora of the bible Israelites. After Solomon blew it, the kingdom was divided. This was the beginning of the end.

After that period the masses of Israelites were dispersed into the Persian Empire (127 provinces) from India to Sudan. At that time over 20 million Israelites would have existed http://jewgenetics.blogspot.com/2008/11/jgm00081-asian-israelites.html

Less than 50,000 returned. When the Romans got there the land was filled with mostly non Israelites, people from all surrounding nations.

We know where the Israelites were scattered if we know the locations where they will be gathered from and it is clearly written, it is not Russia, Germany, Poland .. Europe but it is the Asian and African lands where they had been dispersed.

Isaiah 11:11 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the Lord shall set his hand again the second time to recover the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria, and from Egypt, and from Pathros, and from Cush, and from Elam, and from Shinar, and from Hamath, and from the islands of the sea.

jgm00069-Skorecki-DNA-Assertion

2008-11-19T15:58:00.001-08:00

Using the CMH as a DNA signature of the ancient Hebrews, researchers are pursuing a hunt for Jewish genes around the world.

How does the above paragraph prove
(a) this mutation began 3300 years ago
(b) it began in Asia
(c) Aaron was the first to have it.

Almost all Hebrews were NON Israelites.. Edomites, Ishmaelites, Midianites ...

This mutation could not possibly connect modern men with any ancient people because they are not testing the DNA of ancient people, they are only comparing modern populations with members of their own group.

You might want to check some of the "conversion" records of synagogues you might find many of these 'Jews" are no more than descendants of Europeans, even the Nazis..

'Jewish' victims of the Nazis were nothing but their European relatives. Date Line NBC program on 'Jews in Hitler's Nazi Army' ... Jew Nazi soldiers, Jew Nazi officers, the skeletons they hide in their closets.
http://encyclopediaegypt.com/israel/f3000.htm
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The book and author on the Date Line NBC program on 'Jews in Hitler's Nazi Army' .
http://encyclopediaegypt.com/israel/f3000b.htm

jgm00070-Skorecki-DNA-Assertion

2008-11-19T15:50:00.001-08:00

This could have ramifications in the search for the Biblical Ten Lost Tribes.

How does the above paragraph prove
(a) this mutation began 3300 years ago
(b) it began in Asia
(c) Aaron was the first to have it.

There are NO lost tribes mentioned in the scriptures and IF the scriptures are true the masses of all Israelites were scattered into the Asian/African nations centuries before the Romans ever came.

In the prophecy of the Israelites return, the only north countries ever mentioned are Persia / Babylon and the only specific nations that the Israelites will be gathered from are the lands of those we call Arabs.

http://jewgenetics.blogspot.com/2008/11/jgm00081-asian-israelites.html

jgm00071-Skorecki-DNA-Assertion

2008-11-19T15:45:00.001-08:00

Using the genetic markers of the Cohanim as a yardstick, these genetic archaeologists are using DNA research to discover historical links to the Jewish people.

How does the above paragraph prove
(a) this mutation began 3300 years ago
(b) it began in Asia
(c) Aaron was the first to have it.

'Jew' writes "Using the genetic markers of the Cohanim as a yardstick, these genetic archaeologists are using DNA research to discover historical links to the Jewish people."

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We know endless thousands of these 'Jews' are European converts and there are mountains of marriage and birth records that tie these 'Jews' to the rest of the European families.

This mutation would not tie any one other than a descendant of a 'Cohen' to any one.

This mutation does not tie any modern religious sect to any historic population because no population past 1970 has ever been tested for this mutation.. and if they keep the laws of 'Judaism' they could never dig up the dead to test for this genetic trait.

This mutation ties no one together but the modern population that shares it with others.. including the 'non Jews' who they never test.

jgm00072-Skorecki-DNA-Assertion

2008-11-19T15:37:00.001-08:00

The researchers' policy is that the research is not a test of individuals, but an examination of the extended family.

How does the above paragraph prove
(a) this mutation began 3300 years ago
(b) it began in Asia
(c) Aaron was the first to have it.

'Jew' writes "The researchers' policy is that the research is not a test of individuals, but an examination of the extended family."

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NO this bias research is to find modern day men who share the same mutation and then assert a mutation that has never been traced 500 years in the past actually comes from 3,300 years in the past.

This is nothing other than a sham.

jgm00073-Skorecki-DNA-Assertion

2008-11-19T15:33:00.001-08:00

Having the CMH is not a proof of one's being a Cohen, for the mother's side is also significant in determining one's Cohen status.

How does the above paragraph prove
(a) this mutation began 3300 years ago
(b) it began in Asia
(c) Aaron was the first to have it.

In the beginning 'Jews' write "This markers has come to be known as the Cohen Modal Hapoltype"
Then here they write "Having the CMH is not a proof of one's being a Cohen"

This mutation did not just come to be known as the Cohen Modal Hapoltype, it was given this name by 'Jews' who applied a suggestive title, so every time the words were read or said, it would be brainwashing that this was indeed something that was passed by the Cohen.

At the top they say this became known as the Cohen Modal Hapoltype.. and here they admit "Having the CMH is not a proof of one's being a Cohen"

This mutation is nothing other than a shared mutation of modern populations that have sex with each other.

jgm00074-Skorecki-DNA-Assertion

2008-11-19T15:23:00.001-08:00

Having the CMH is not a proof of one's being a Cohen, for the mother's side is also significant in determining one's Cohen status.

At present, there are no ramifications in Jewish law due to this discovery.

How does the above paragraph prove
(a) this mutation began 3300 years ago
(b) it began in Asia
(c) Aaron was the first to have it.

What kind of "Jewish" law would be enacted if this did prove these people were descendants of the Cohen?

They have no laws against the legal prostution, they have no laws against the massive homosexual gathering every year, so what would this mutation have to do with any "Jewish laws"?

Make note of all the fluff.. the point of this whole caper is to 'prove' these 'jews' are connected to the Israelites, and 99.9% of the whole text is fluff.

jgm00075-Skorecki-DNA-Assertion

2008-11-19T15:15:00.001-08:00

No one is certified nor disqualified because of their Y chromosome markers.

How does the above paragraph prove
(a) this mutation began 3300 years ago
(b) it began in Asia
(c) Aaron was the first to have it.

"No one is certified nor disqualified because of their Y chromosome markers."

No certification or disqualified as what? Do you mean this mutation has NO significance?

This guy wrote: Having the CMH is not a proof of one's being a Cohen, for the mother's side is also significant in determining one's Cohen status.

Gee this "CMH".. mutation is not proof of any thing other than modern populations breeding members of their own group (and never looking to see who outside these groups might have it)

jgm00076-Skorecki-DNA-Assertion

2008-11-19T15:01:00.000-08:00

The research has shown a clear genetic relationship amongst Cohanim and their direct lineage from a common ancestor.

How does the above paragraph prove
(a) this mutation began 3300 years ago
(b) it began in Asia
(c) Aaron was the first to have it.

This research shows nothing but a mutation passed from packs that breed each other mostly. No different than Catholics, Jehovah Witnesses or Mormons. If you are hanging out in the same congregation when you are young getting ready to mix with the other gender, the odds are better that you will hook up with some one in your own group.

There is no difference in a mutation than in a disease except disease is harmful. Disease is a harmful mutation that can be passed through the blood no different than this mutation. There can be no such thing as a Jewish disease, Amish disease or any other group disease, unless that disease or mutation could not be passed to any other group other than their own.

There is NO evidence connecting this mutation to 3000 year old dead men, this is nothing other than a modern groupie mutation, passed from the groupies who mostly breed their own group. There is no evidence of when or who first had it. There is no more evidence it came from Aaron than it came from a Russian sheep herder who got it by having sex with a sheep.

It is no more outlandish to say it came from a sheep sexual relation than it came from Aaron because both statements use ignorance to promote or demote the source by wishful thinking.

Any group that sticks together will spread more of the mutation among their own members.

The Amish are just a religious sect that shares the same ancestors as other Europeans, but indeed there is an "Amish disease/mutation" http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22amish+disease%22

This mutation does not connect any one with ancient men of the middle east, it only connects modern day groupies with those in their own group they breed most. It does not even test the population outside of their group. They are only finding what they want to find.

"The research has shown a clear genetic relationship amongst Cohanim and their direct lineage from a common ancestor"

No this research only shows modern groupie populations are having sex and it does not even to bother to test non 'Jews' to see if it exists there.. which it certainly would.

jgm00077-Skorecki-DNA-Assertion

2008-11-19T14:39:00.001-08:00

The research findings support the Torah statements that the line of Aaron will last throughout history: " and they shall have the Priesthood as a statute forever, and you shall consecrate Aaron and his sons."
[Exodus 29:9]

How does the above paragraph prove
(a) this mutation began 3300 years ago
(b) it began in Asia
(c) Aaron was the first to have it.

The priesthood has NOTHING to do with any physical mutation

The priesthood consists of acts/services to be preformed.

Exodus outlines the SERVICES TO BE PREFORMED

Exodus 29

1. And this is the thing that thou shalt do unto them to hallow them, to minister unto me in the priest's office: take one young bullock, and two rams without blemish,

2. And unleavened bread, and cakes unleavened tempered with oil, and wafers unleavened anointed with oil: of wheaten flour shalt thou make them.

3. And thou shalt put them into one basket, and bring them in the basket, with the bullock and the two rams.

4. And Aaron and his sons thou shalt bring unto the door of the tabernacle of the congregation, and shalt wash them with water.

5. And thou shalt take the garments, and put upon Aaron the coat, and the robe of the ephod, and the ephod, and the breastplate, and gird him with the curious girdle of the ephod:

6. And thou shalt put the mitre upon his head, and put the holy crown upon the mitre.

7. Then shalt thou take the anointing oil, and pour it upon his head, and anoint him.

8. And thou shalt bring his sons, and put coats upon them.

9. And thou shalt gird them with girdles, Aaron and his sons, and put the bonnets on them: and the priest's office shall be theirs for a perpetual statute: and thou shalt consecrate Aaron and his sons.

There is NOTHING in this context about some micro mutation. The priesthood.. is the duties required by the descendants of Aaron. The priesthood, included all their required tasks.. check for leprosy, prepare the temple burnt offerings, sprinkle the blood on the congregation.

Now how does this "professor" concoct the assertion that any thing about any micro physical marker is mentioned here?

jgm00078-Skorecki-DNA-Assertion

2008-11-19T14:25:00.001-08:00

It shall be for them an appointment to an everlasting Priesthood throughout their generations."
[Exodus 40:15]

How does the above paragraph prove
(a) this mutation began 3300 years ago
(b) it began in Asia
(c) Aaron was the first to have it.

What does this verse about actions/service have to do with a mutation of modern day men

Exodus 40

1. And the Lord spake unto Moses, saying,

2. On the first day of the first month shalt thou set up the tabernacle of the tent of the congregation.

3. And thou shalt put therein the ark of the testimony, and cover the ark with the vail.

4. And thou shalt bring in the table, and set in order the things that are to be set in order upon it; and thou shalt bring in the candlestick, and light the lamps thereof.

5. And thou shalt set the altar of gold for the incense before the ark of the testimony, and put the hanging of the door to the tabernacle.

6. And thou shalt set the altar of the burnt offering before the door of the tabernacle of the tent of the congregation.

7. And thou shalt set the laver between the tent of the congregation and the altar, and shalt put water therein.

8. And thou shalt set up the court round about, and hang up the hanging at the court gate.

9. And thou shalt take the anointing oil, and anoint the tabernacle, and all that is therein, and shalt hallow it, and all the vessels thereof: and it shall be holy.

10. And thou shalt anoint the altar of the burnt offering, and all his vessels, and sanctify the altar: and it shall be an altar most holy.

11. And thou shalt anoint the laver and his foot, and sanctify it.

12. And thou shalt bring Aaron and his sons unto the door of the tabernacle of the congregation, and wash them with water.

13. And thou shalt put upon Aaron the holy garments, and anoint him, and sanctify him; that he may minister unto me in the priest's office.

14. And thou shalt bring his sons, and clothe them with coats:

15. And thou shalt anoint them, as thou didst anoint their father, that they may minister unto me in the priest's office: for their anointing shall surely be an everlasting priesthood throughout their generations.

The context here is a whole list of tasks that Aaron and the boys must do.. The priest hood is DUTIES to be done by SPECIFIC people.

What is involved in the priesthood, a whole bunch of task.

Anointing : a primitive root; to rub with oil, i.e. to anoint; by implication, to consecrate; also to paint:

There is NOTHING in this context about any magical invisible marker or a wart on the nose. What does this verse about actions/service have to do with a mutation of modern day men?

The miroco mutation you need electronic equipment to see is your ever lasting priest hood.. what goofs. Their anointing shall surely be an everlasting priesthood

jgm00079-Skorecki-DNA-Assertion

2008-11-19T14:07:00.001-08:00

"And it shall be to him and to his descendants after him a covenant of everlasting Priesthood. " [Numbers 25:13]

How does the above paragraph prove
(a) this mutation began 3300 years ago
(b) it began in Asia
(c) Aaron was the first to have it.

The context of this information begins with 25:6 After an Israelite brought a non Israelite into the congregation, Phinehas killed both of them with a javelin and prevented a plague.

Numbers 25:10 And the Lord spake unto Moses, saying,

Numbers 25:11 Phinehas, the son of Eleazar, the son of Aaron the priest, hath turned my wrath away from the children of Israel, while he was zealous for my sake among them, that I consumed not the children of Israel in my jealousy

Numbers 25:12 Wherefore say, Behold, I give unto him my covenant of peace:

Numbers 25:13 And he [Phiinehas] shall have it, and his seed [Phiinehas] after him, even the covenant of an everlasting priesthood; because he was zealous for his God, and made an atonement for the children of Israel.

Here the context is not about the seed of Aaron, but the seed of Phinehas because of his act of killing the non Israelite brought into the congregation.

The promise was not go give Phinehas an invisible mutation, nor a wart on the nose, but an everlasting priest hood.

There is nothing in this verse that mentions any thing about any physical marker, but it is an eternal service the descendants of Phiinehas would provide.

jgm00080-Skorecki-DNA-Assertion

2008-11-19T13:48:00.000-08:00

That our Torah tradition is supported by these findings is an inspiration for many that God surely keeps His promises.

How does the above paragraph prove
(a) this mutation began 3300 years ago
(b) it began in Asia
(c) Aaron was the first to have it.

The Torah = the first 5 books of the Old Testament of Tanach

There is NOTHING in the Torah that mentions any thing about a physical mutation that identifies any one.

These test does not compare the DNA of any one calling themselves Jews with the DNA of the ancient Israelites.

Your test only compares modern men with modern men. These are not even blind test in which data is collected from whole populations, but your samples are taken from your own group.

If you suggest you carry a DNA mutation of Aaron, first produce the body of Aaron that you have taken your samples from

jgm00081-Skorecki-DNA-Assertion

2008-11-19T13:33:00.000-08:00

May we soon see the Cohanim restored to their service, Levites on their Temple platform and Israelites at their places.

How does the above paragraph prove
(a) this mutation began 3300 years ago
(b) it began in Asia
(c) Aaron was the first to have it.

More padded fluff. You might be interested in this, but it has nothing to do with their claims.

Before they could see any cohanim restored to any thing they first need prove they are any thing other than European descendants

As for the need of any temple, there was no need for a temple in the commands to give burnt offerings.

http://encyclopediaegypt.com/israel/l010802.htm

Of course the body of Israelites.. all tribes NEVER entered the tabernacle nor the temple at any time. These structures were less than half the size of a football field and one tribe could have never fit in it. Today using your own figures,

http://jewgenetics.blogspot.com/2008/11/jgm00082-how-many-israelites-today.html

If the scriptures are true, it does not appear that all the descendants of the Israel could live in Israel, let alone fit in such a dinky little temple

jgm00082-Skorecki-DNA-Assertion

2008-11-19T12:57:00.000-08:00

If you are a Cohen or Levi interested in participating in the DNA research and/or receiving further information please contact:
Center For Cohanim,
3 Rehov HaMekubalim,
Old City, Jerusalem, Israel
Phone/Fax: (02) 628-9243
Email: ymkleiman@hotmail.

How does the above paragraph prove
(a) this mutation began 3300 years ago
(b) it began in Asia
(c) Aaron was the first to have it.

Maybe some one would like to collect the contacts of those pushing this story and see if they will respond to these questions in public.

I would like to know how they would determine they were a Cohen or Levi, do they believe they can trace their family trees for 3000 years. The actual priest could not do that centuries ago and now these white Europeans make such claims?

Ezra 2:61 And of the children of the priests: the children of Habaiah, the children of Koz, the children of Barzillai; which took a wife of the daughters of Barzillai the Gileadite, and was called after their name:

Ezra 2:62 These sought their register among those that were reckoned by genealogy, but they were not found: therefore were they, as polluted, put from the priesthood.

Gileadite: A branch of the tribe of Manasseh (Nu 26:29). Here these priest were intermarrying with a different tribe, so the supposed mutation would not only exist in the tribe of the Levites. This is only one of multiple verses showing the Levite priest mingling their seed.

If any on earth professes they can trace their ancestors through family trees, see if you or they can do this: http://encyclopediaegypt.com/israel/f1000.htm

jgm00083-Skorecki-DNA-Assertion

2008-11-19T12:43:00.001-08:00

ACKNOWLEDGEMENT
Thanks to Professor Edward Simon, microbiologist at Purdue University, lecturer and board member of the Association of Orthodox Jewish Scientists, for his expert input.

How does the above paragraph prove
(a) this mutation began 3300 years ago
(b) it began in Asia
(c) Aaron was the first to have it.

There is no 'microbiologist' training needed in any thing written here.

Samples are taken as easily as swabbing the mouth and placing the samples in machines which process the samples, then computers generate the data.

The fact that this guy is a microbiologist or a garbage collector has no bearing on any assertions made here.

It does not matter if the machines were sitting at Purdue University or inside their garage, the only thing relative is the simple question:

Did this particular have this mutation .. YES or NO

If they do have this mutation how does it prove when or where it originated.

jgm00084-Skorecki-DNA-Assertion

2008-11-19T12:24:00.000-08:00

Author Biography:
Rabbi Yaakov HaKohen Kleiman is a lecturer at Aish HaTorah, Jerusalem, specializing in Temple studies.

How does the above paragraph prove
(a) this mutation began 3300 years ago
(b) it began in Asia
(c) Aaron was the first to have it.

What does this guy's title have to do in providing any evidence?

What does Temple Studies have to do with DNA?

Is this any more than fluff that has nothing to do any thing that would connect 'Jews' to Israelites?

jgm00100-Skorecki-DNA-Assertion

2008-11-18T18:16:00.001-08:00

Stop, from here on , there is no more ready

jgm00101-Skorecki-DNA-Assertion

2008-11-18T16:46:00.001-08:00

HOW COULD ANY ONE CLAIM THEIR DNA PROVES THEY ARE THE DESCENDANTS OF AARON WHEN THE DNA OF AARON DOES NOT EXIST?

In any scientific investigation, you know nothing can be compared with something else, if you don't have BOTH things to be compared.The thing(s) that we are comparing to is called the benchmark.You can not say what you are testing is the same or different unless you have the benchmark to compare it with.

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In the town of Dippies we have two groups. You can not tell them apart by looking at them but one subset of Dippies can be identified by their propeller hats. The only other difference in the two groups is the comic books they read.The other subset looks the same, just with out the hats and different reading materialLet's call them Propies ... and OthersIn the "Jewish" religion it is forbidden to examine the dead and those who die must be buried immediately. No religious "Jew" could claim to follow Judaism and examine a dead body.

In genetic testing it was found:

* Some Propies share a common genetic mutation

* Some of the Propies DO NOT share that genetic mutation

* Some of the Others DO share that very same mutation

* Some of the others do NOT share that mutation

The Propies (who also call themselves Jews) claims their common mutation {shared by non "Jews"} proves they are descendants of the ancient grandpa... Bench Mark.

They do NOT have the 3500 dna of Bench Mark and there is no possible way for them to say they have the same dna as the original {3,300 year old Israelites} Bench Mark... when they can NOT compare it with that which they do NOT have.
The ONLY thing they could do is compare their traits with other existing samples to draw their conclusions.In this case the OTHERS who share the common mutation could be connected to them and the "Jews" who do not share this mutation would NOT be connected to them.This common trait could ONLY connect those who could be tested and still could not possibly connect them with a 3,500 dead man who's DNA does not exist.
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This example will begin by showing the principals of scientific testing
Firearms and Tool marks analysis involves the association of markings produced by the interaction of tools and contacting surfaces.
This type of evidence includes the identification of bullets and cartridge casings fired from a firearm; the association of pry marks to a suspect tool; the identification of a bolt cutter as having produced the markings on the cut end of a padlock or a piece of wire; and the association of shoe tracks, footprints, or tire tracks to a suspect or vehicle.

Firearms and Toolmarks analysis involves the association of markings produced by the interaction of tools and contacting surfaces.

This type of evidence includes the identification of bullets and cartridge casings fired from a firearm; the association of pry marks to a suspect tool; the identification of a bolt cutter as having produced the markings on the cut end of a padlock or a piece of wire; and the association of shoe tracks, footprints, or tire tracks to a suspect or vehicle.

The process of identification involves a visual comparison of test marks made by the suspect tool or gun versus the evidence mark. These marks may be microscopic as in the case of a bullet or macroscopic as in the case of a tire or shoe track.

The National Integrated Ballistic Information Network (NIBIN) (opens new window) system allows a firearms examiner to acquire, digitize and sort images of spent cartridge casings and bullets from crime scenes, victims, and suspect firearms.

By accessing regional databases, the firearms technician can compare these stored digitized images against each other or newly acquired images from active cases. It is these unique signatures present on case evidence that allows the firearms examiner to identify whether a spent bullet, bullet fragment, or cartridge casing were fired from a specific firearm.

The NIBIN system automatically correlates the digitized images and ranks the best "match", thereby eliminating the need to search an entire database of images freeing the examiner for more important tasks.
A comparison microscope is the essential tool in this science.

The known and unknown bullets or casings are viewed side by side in order to determine whether the unique markings left by the firearm when the cartridge was fired. For an interesting demonstration of the comparison microscope, visit firearmsid.com (opens new window) and try their virtual comparison microscope.

In ballistic testing there are two common ways to see if a bullet came from a particular gun.

#1 By comparing the groves left on a bullet that has passed through a barrel and

#2 By looking at the cap where the hammer hitand ... not as much

#3 Examining the bullet to see what % of each element it was composed of.

Notice the two different places to place an empty shell or a bullet that has passed through the barrel.What lesson here can be applied to DNA testing to see if people have common traits?To assert any person or any thing shares a common trait, you must have the original BM and that which you are going to compare.When any one states something is similar, has a common trait or if they say those things are different, they MUST have the original BM to compare the two things in question.These are the same as that.. a comparison <> This is different than that .. a comparison.Similar/the same or different, this information can ONLY be stated when you have BOTH things to compare.
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(a) {BM} Bench mark = that which (b) something else is being compared to.

If you watch any crime documentaries, the principal of finding someone guilty or excluding them as suspects is often very simple.

* A woman found raped and murdered. In the examination they found

(a) semen in the murdered woman . In this case the semen is the bench mark... it is what (b) suspects semen will be compared to. It would be impossible to compare the semen of any suspect with the original

IF you did NOT have the original to compare it with. Those who claim the Y Chromosome mutation they have proves they are the descendants of Aaron.

How would they claim they had a mutation that Aaron had, when they could never have the DNA of Aaron to examine in the first place?

Aaron never lived to see the Promised Land. He on Mount Hor, near the southern end of the Dead Sea.

The Israelites mourned him for thirty days, the same number of days that the Israelites mourned, when Moses died.

Numbers 33:39 Aaron ... died in mount Hor. 30 44 28 N by 34 30 37 E ... Aaron was buried in Egypt it looks like.

Under the burial laws of the Israelites, all burials were done quickly. They had no tombs, just wrapped them up in cloth and covered them up.

Of those who left Egypt... of the great multitude, ONLY two got to enter into Israel. That great multitude over a million was buried along the way in the 40 year migration.

Only Joshua (tribe of Joseph) and Caleb (tribe of Judah) made it to Israel.. Not Aaron nor his sons.

Aaron nor his sons lived to enter Israel. The multitude of Israelites who left Egypt are buried in hundreds of thousands of dirt graves in Egypt, Saudi Arabia and Jordan.

* If they found any ancient corps in the middle east, how could they possible age date it or test it for DNA when according to "Jewish" law any autopsy is forbidden?=======================================================
* On what "scientific" basis would any "scientist" have to claim this mutation began with Aaron/His descendants when they could not possibly have any of the DNA of Aaron to test?=======================================================
* On what "scientific" basis would any "scientist" have to claim populations of modern men have the same genetic trait as Aaron, when they could not possibly have any of the DNA of Aaron to compare it with?=======================================================
You say any one can write a web page, you are right. Here is the difference in me and those who publish books or web pages promoting the assertion that the shared mutation of the y chrosome proves they are the descendants of the Israelites.

* They have e-mail addresses.. but how many of them can you get a reply from?

* They publish books and web sites, but who can ask them questions or challenge them?Books / Web sites are nothing but propaganda pulpits. They can make up or say any thing they can imagine and there are accountable to no one.
Here is what I have created
* This web site.. propaganda no different than the rest http://www.geocities.com/cohen_y_chromosome

* This Yahoo groups where I will post to so I don't lose notes or arguments I write... more propaganda because no one can cross examine it through that group.http://www.geocities.com/cohen_y_chromosome. Any one interested can subscribe to it just to be updated on the latest arguments, assertions or debates I am in.
* Last is our public, open forum... hot debate, controversial group. Any one can say what ever they want in public and cross examine me.The web site and other group is composed of arguments / assertions I am involved in debate.

If you wish to challenge me, you might first want to create an alternate e-mail address and join with that so the spammers don't bomb your good e-mail address.
Once you are a member of the group you can post any thing, challenge me or ask any questions.

If you have any arguments not already published on the web site, your questions/challenges will become a page on that web site.
My adversaries are my co authors. My pages come out of debates... i.e. above I asked the question how could any one claim to be connected to Aaron through DNA when NO DNA of Aaron exists to be tested or compared.

This argument comes out of the controversial group. What we write in the public group goes into an archives which can be searched and any thing I say I wrote, you can see by searching the archives.OH yeah, for years I have been trying to get those "Jewish scientist" to respond to me in public.

If you think they can push their assertions and have the public believe them after all sides submit their arguments/questions, I will be glad for any of these "scientific experts" to respond to me in a public forum.

jgm00102-Skorecki-DNA-Assertion

2008-11-18T16:45:00.001-08:00

Stop here

jgm00103-Skorecki-DNA-Assertion

2008-11-18T16:43:00.001-08:00

Stop here
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jgm00104-Skorecki-DNA-Assertion

2008-11-18T16:40:00.001-08:00

Stop here

jgm00105-Skorecki-DNA-Assertion

2008-11-16T14:10:00.000-08:00

Stop here

jgm00106-Skorecki-DNA-Assertion

2008-11-15T14:59:00.001-08:00

Stop here

jgm00107-Skorecki-DNA-Assertion

2008-11-15T07:17:00.000-08:00

Here is what can be proven with DNA and it excludes the race of European Jews from having any connection to the Israelites of the scriptures http://encyclopediaegypt.com/eg-blond.htm & how DNA is now being used to identify the race of an original population of the earth http://encyclopediaegypt.com/e-race.htm

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