Asian-Israelites
Using the concept of the "Jewish DNA expert", how many Israelites would be assimilated into the Asian/Africans, lost their identity and would be called Arabs today? Family trees grow exponentially. In past history.
If we use the information in the scriptures and a conservative family tree growth program, today there would be millions of middle east Arabs (converts to Islam) who are descendants of the Israelites.
The lost tribes of Israel = more middle east Muslims than all the Europeans who call themselves Jews?
The expodential growth of families in past history
* NO birth control
* NO abortions
* NO women's lib
Couples had very large families and I suppose with out medicine people did not live as long as they do in our time.
Males could produce children at any age and a short life of women is not relative, because they only needed to live long enough to bare children and after they were born, the death of women would not be a factor in the growth of family trees.
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We often hear the story that the Israelites were scattered into Europe by the Romans
One rebuttal was the Romans took the Israelites into Europe, like Africans were enslaved and taken from their native land. The hole is this story is the lands where the Romans were supposed to have taken Israelites in, were already slave nations of the Romans and every one in those European nations were already their slaves)
(Counter arguments to 'Jews' taken into Europe by the Romans http://encyclopediaegypt.com/israel/rome.htm )
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While many people thought the Romans took the Israelites into Europe, they are ignorant of the scriptures that reveal the Israelites were scattered into the Persian empire before the Romans ever arrived.
The great masses of Israelites were scattered into the Asian/African provinces of the Persian empire and only a trivial fraction returned to Israel.
Ezra 1:1 Cyrus king of Persia.. made a proclamation throughout all his kingdom
Ezra 1:3 Who ... among you of all his .. will go to Jerusalem.. to build the house of the Lord
HOW MANY ISRAELITES ARE RECORDED RETURNING
Ezra 2:64 The whole congregation together was forty and two thousand three hundred and threescore .. 42,360 + their servants
Ezra 2:65 Beside their servants and their maids, of whom there were seven thousand three hundred thirty
Less than 50,000 Israelites are ever recorded returning from the Persian empire which was composed of 127 provinces that extended from India to Sudan.
How many Israelites were assimilated and never returned?
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What do we do know to this trivial fraction of Israelites that did return?
Nehemiah 13:23 In those days also saw I Jews that had married wives of Ashdod, of Ammon, and of Moab
Nehemiah 13:24 And their children spake half in the speech of Ashdod, and could not speak in the Jews' language, but according to the language of each people.
By the time this fraction of Israelites returned, their own children were being assimilated and were a mix of the other Asians they lived among.
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What happened to the Israelites which never returned from the Persian empire?
The book of Esther is about the Israelites who remained scattered through out the Persian empire.
Esther 1:1 Now it came to pass in the days of Ahasuerus, (this is Ahasuerus which reigned, from India even unto Ethiopia, over an hundred and seven and twenty provinces:)
Esther 2:6 (Mordecai) Who had been carried away from Jerusalem with the captivity which had been carried away with Jeconiah king of Judah
Esther 4:3 And in every province.. there was great mourning among the Jews (scattered through the Persian Empire, Sudan, Egypt.. India, Iraq, Syria.. Asia/Africa)
Esther 8:9 ..All that Mordecai commanded unto the Jews... from India unto Ethiopia, an hundred twenty and seven provinces
Esther 9:20 And Mordecai wrote these things, and sent letters unto all the Jews that were in *ALL* the provinces of the king Ahasuerus
After the account of the trivial number of Israelites returning to Israel in the book of Ezra, the masses remained dispersed through out the Persian empire. The children of Esther would be the children of the Persian (Iranian) king the masses of Israelites were assimilated into the Asian / African populations long before the Romans ever invaded Palestine.
In the prophecy of the actual Israelite's return, it is ONLY these Asian/African lands ever identified where they will be gathered from
.Isaiah 11:11 .. the Lord shall... recover the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria, Egypt, Pathros, Cush/Sudan, Elam, Shinar, Hamath, and from the islands of the sea.
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The assertion that the number of "Jews" found with this mutation proves WHERE and WHEN the mutation began, if based on a math formula, lets first use a spread sheet to
* Determine the number of Israelites that existed when numbered in the book of Numbers
* Determine the number of Israelites that were assimilated into the Asian/African nations, who lost their identity and are not called Arabs.
We will use the same data from the scriptures and the same process to arrive at these numbers.
If this DNA 'expert' can project where and when a mutation originated, we can use his own assertions and equally apply them. This includes all Israelites, but the same process will work for one tribe (the Levites)
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To the right of each variable VAR, type in your own projected number
Line 13 will be the total number of Israelites that existed after they left Egypt
Line 56 will be the number of Israelites that were assimilated in the Persian provinces
Subtract the number who returned (42,360), and the remainder are the number of Israelites who never returned but who were assimilated into the Persian empire.
It is not written they never returned, but speculation is not based on ignorance, but speculation is based on facts, data, evidence.
Even if they did return to Israel, using your own variables, you might explain where this number of people ever lived.
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If you intend to accept the "expert's" assertion that a math process can identify the Cohen by this process.. use that process, go back to the beginning.
Then reverse the process and include all tribes, to see how many Israelites would exist today IF this "expert" has any feasible calculation .
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Just replace the blank space to the right of the VAR and make your own projection.
http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=pJn__Chzo3FxswcXbXL3_Pw
jgm00006.001 Do you think this "DNA expert can use the number of 'Jews' with this mutation to prove when and where it originated. Yes or NOjgm00006.002 If you think the number of people that share a mutation can project when and where it originated, use more than words. Create your model and demonstrate exactly how it would work.
jgm00006.003 If this DNA 'expert' has a formula for computing where and when a mutation originated, site the exact page or paragraph
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